Which nation has the most world champions?

[Shadoww702]

Great minds, man... I was thinking of excatly that, just putting together a little spreadsheet and keeping it updated. My only qualm is that I tend to find the nationalism on here devisive, distacting from real boxing talk and really quite over the top on here. I wouldn't be wanting trigger endless arguments over that bulchit amd just giving ammunition to the trolls.

Besides we went through this ish not so many months ago and when you actually do a breakdown per capita and per # of professional boxers you find that boxing talent (or at least titles) is fairly equally distributed amongst the boxing nations, making allowances for such things as the younger boxing nations having a top heavy talent skew from their elite amateurs without an underlying base of lower level dudes.

Just be careful some reason they list guys wrong. I mean they have Andy Ruiz Jr. list his Nationality as Mexican when he was born in the USA and lives here

[Shadoww702]

Amount of belts is a better metric than world champions.
In your count, a unified champ is treated the same as a random belt holder, but it is more difficult to become a unified champion and that should be more valued.

The UK has two unified champs.
Joshua holds three titles and Josh Taylor two.

And Jose Ramirez owns the other two.

[Citizen Koba]

Just be careful some reason they list guys wrong. I mean they have Andy Ruiz Jr. list his Nationality as Mexican when he was born in the USA and lives here

No doubt. You'd have to come up with some consistent system for stuff like that, cos you got plenty of foreign boxers who reside in other countries for the work obviously, not to mention those who have obtained citizenship (like Lara for instance). My inclination would be to use birth Nationality but you could also make a case for allowing self identification. Whatever though, the important thing with stuff like this is that you state very clearly the rules you've chosen and apply em consistently.

[kidbazooka]

America and Mexico run boxing always have.

[Citizen Koba]

Would have been a good thread to read for details but as I was reading the content, all I read are insecurities and just being a flagboy thinking

It's very unfortunate that this kinda stuff always devolves into that kinda flag waver nonsense, cos if you start working with the numbers a little and bringing in some extra stats they tell some interesting stories about the profile of boxing in different countries. For instance boxing is absurdly popular in the UK compared to other wealthy nations in terms of the number of pro boxers per capita. The former Soviet states have very few per capita but have high success rates with those who have gone pro for the obvious reasons that the trail was broken by elite amateurs. Mexico and Nicaragua have huge per capita numbers of boxers but don't necessarily get quite the success that the same number of fighters would get elsewhere - I'd speculate cos of the higher number of people driven to the sport for financial reasons and a lack of options... Anyways, I'm rambling... I find that kinda ish fascinating anyways, looking for the narrative behind the numbers. I get it ain't everyone's cup of tea though.

[Shadoww702]

No doubt. You'd have to come up with some consistent system for stuff like that, cos you got plenty of foreign boxers who reside in other countries for the work obviously, not to mention those who have obtained citizenship (like Lara for instance). My inclination would be to use birth Nationality but you could also make a case for allowing self identification. Whatever though, the important thing with stuff like this is that you state very clearly the rules you've chosen and apply em consistently.

I use birth 1st and then where they were raised at most of the time.

Someone born in Mexico but left at age 2 18 years later in the USA is he really Mexican Nationality?? They would even probably call him Whiteboy

Funny thing is I know a lot of Hispanics that don't even speak Spanish. There is a couple of generations where they didn't teach their kids Spanish. My Aunt speaks fluent but both her kids don't. And they're Brown to the core. Its funny they get mad because young people always come up first talking to them in Spanish. It used to be very frowned upon back like in the 70's\80's,?? Maybe she was made fun of when that would be like 50's\60's???

[Shadoww702]

In High School usually you always see the Mexicans separated. Mexicans ones born in Mexico come here and usually think they are better than American Hispanics

[Butt stuff]

US has the most titles but I wouldnt call it "domination" exactly. Domination is like what the US is to American football. When 8 of the current p4p top 10 are from somewhere other than the US, it isnt dominance.

Whats crazy with America though, is how lopsided it is skewed towards one single demographic that has success. Black America basically has a similar population to Spain yet carries the entire US on its back in the sport. They massively overperform per capita while the other 85% or so of the population massively underperforms.

It’s true about black Americans, whilst professional boxing has been mostly centred in America for the past 100 years, most of the greatest ATGs are black Americans. Robinson, Ali, Leonard, Hearns, Hagler, RJJ the list goes on and on.

[redmish]

America has 5 times more people than the UK and only just over double the world champions so P4P we are better. We are also out of Europe so dont club us in with them. Britain is best.

[Citizen Koba]

America has 5 times more people than the UK and only just over double the world champions so P4P we are better. We are also out of Europe so dont club us in with them. Britain is best.

We got a significantly higher per capita # of Pro fighters than the US. If you compare titlists/titles per number of pro boxers instead of per capita and average it over a few years you'll find there ain't a huge difference.