Prime JAMES TONEY Vs Usyk @ 200lbs

[IronDanHamza]

How many southpaws did Toney beat in his career? I know he fought two at CW lost one and barely beat the other by the skin of his teeth.

All Toney's best work came at the lower weights apart from a win over Holyfield who was totally shot and had only won about 2 of his last 7-8 fights.
He was a lot less effective moving up and almost completely reliant on fighters following him to the ropes which Usyk wouldn't do and if so he'd simply make the adjustments as he did vs Bellew.

Beat Nunn and Johnson which are both good wins but he lost ALOT of rounds out of those.

Nunn won most of the rounds against Toney before he stopped him and Reggie Johnson dominated the first 5 rounds but then gave the fight away coasting.

But Toney looked totally lost in both fights and was outboxed easily for large portions.

[IronDanHamza]

Holyfield, ruiz, and peter 1(he was robbed) better than anything usyk has done including that gold medal

Toney doesn't hold a win over John Ruiz or Sam Peter. Once again, FANTASY.

He holds a win over Holyfield's corpse. Amazing so does Larry Donald.

[Long jabber]

Toney doesn't hold a win over John Ruiz or Sam Peter. Once again, FANTASY.

He holds a win over Holyfield's corpse. Amazing so does Larry Donald.

Oh but tiberi beat toney right? You always bring that up

Lol @ your logical fallacies

[Marvlus Marv]

How about a prime Usyk vs Naseem Hamed @ 126 lbs? Place your bets..

[QueensburyRules]

Holyfield, ruiz, and peter 1(he was robbed) better than anything usyk has done including that gold medal

- -Shot Mr. Field was in the start of his being passed around for sheets and giggles as he worked his way into bankruptcy.

U peter in the dirt with Peter, but he was beating better fighters than Ruiz in the WBSS.

[IronDanHamza]

Oh but tiberi beat toney right? You always bring that up

Lol @ your logical fallacies

Because you can't compare Tiberi-Toney which is an obvious flat out robbery to Toney-Peter which isn't.

That's the equivilent to comparing Whitaker-Chavez to Whitaker-Oscar. One's an obvious robbery the other isn't.

Toney-Peter is comparable to the likes of Toney-Johsnon, McCallum2, Griffin 1 and 2 etc CLOSE fights.

As for Ruiz, he holds no wins over John Ruiz.

This is not a logical fallacy, idiot. Look up the meaning of it.

[Long jabber]

Because you can't compare Tiberi-Toney which is an obvious flat out robbery to Toney-Peter which isn't.

That's the equivilent to comparing Whitaker-Chavez to Whitaker-Oscar. One's an obvious robbery the other isn't.

Toney-Peter is comparable to the likes of Toney-Johsnon, McCallum2, Griffin 1 and 2 etc CLOSE fights.

As for Ruiz, he holds no wins over John Ruiz.

This is not a logical fallacy, idiot. Look up the meaning of it.

Double standard aka special pleading fallacy. Just stop you're embarrassing yourself you double digit iq mouth breather

[IronDanHamza]

Double standard aka special pleading fallacy. Just stop you're embarrassing yourself you double digit iq mouth breather

No it's not a double standard at all you moron.

A double standard would be saying Sosa, Williams, Johnson, McCallum 2 etc the close fights Toney won were robberies whereas Griffin 1, 2 Peter 1 etc were fair. When the reality is all of those fights were either way fights.

Toney-Tiberi on the other hand is nothing alike to any of the above because that was a CLEAR robbery and everyone knows it much like Whitaker-Ramirez, Whitaker-Chavez, Casamayor-Santa Cruz, Pacquaio-Bradley 1 and all the other clear robberies over the years.

[billeau2]

I didn't say Bellew would hit Toney either.

You haven't explained it, at all.

Your quote is;

"Remember how Tony Bellew could hit Usk? Toney would be able to do so as well."

What is the point of this statment? You haven't said.

I explained and even showed when a poster made the point I was trying to make...

YOU GET IT? So now you understand the point presumably. Perhaps I owe that poster a debt of gratitude? i don't know...I do know if you do not get it now you don't want to get it... and...being dense is no argument strategy.

[billeau2]

Right so that's your point.

So, how is that any different to the INFERIOR fighters to Bellew who hit Toney a lot?

You can't have it both ways.

Its not...It puts Uysk on a similar level. He is not this untouchable, super mobile fighter who cannot be touched, he is fallible as Toney can be at times. "Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander." Uysk can falter fighting the same level of comp that Toney faultered at...

Now...Remember that Usyk has fought a lot less than Toney as a professional.