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Ironhanza guy will keep moving goal post and strawmanning.goes from toney doesnt have any good wins, to toney doesnt have dominant wins, and when you point out stuff like scorecards from the mcallum 2 fight he says the fight does not reflect that. But when you bring up the peter 1 fight hell just say that he lost the fight end of story even though he constantly brings up the tiberi fight toney won on the cards. The guy is a troll or toney who is notoriously known for being an aggressive meathead in the gym probably emasculated the guy in front of all his friends lol
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Yeah you're just straight up lying
Show me where I said Toney doesn't have any good wins dummy
I've never said that nor have I moved the goalpost at any point.
I have been conistent the entire time; Toney has no dominant performances over top tier fighters. That's it. No more no less. And he doesn't. Where is the moving of the goalpost? Explain how I have moved a goalpost.
As for McCallum 2, I scored that for McCallum. BUT, it was either way, so wouldn't argue with that decision.
Peter 1, I scored for Peter. ALSO an either way fight.
I also scored Griffin-Toney 2 to Toney aswell. But, EITHER WAY fight. Don't argue with the decision.
Go one further, Reggie Johnson, I scored for Johnson. But Johnson threw that fight away in the second half after dominating the first 5 rounds and then coasting and allowed the fight to be close so I DON'T ARGUE WITH TONEY GETTING THE DECISION.
You see that? That's CONSISTENT.
As for Tiberi, that's a whole different ballgame because that fight was a flat out robbery and anyone with even a grain of sense knows that.
The difference between me and you is I live in reality. I watch the evidence and base my view of reality. The reality of the fact that Toney struggled and lost to C level fighters numerous times and never ever dominated a top tier opponent. That is the reality. You live in a fantasy world where Toney "destroys" and "dominates" elite fighters when he never ever did that in his career at any point.
That is the difference.Last edited by IronDanHamza; 04-09-2020, 02:17 PM.Comment
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James Toney was hit or miss at points in his career but was really good when he was having a good night.
That said I would favor Usyk however to beat Toney. Not in a dominating fashion but clearly. Could see Toney having good moments if Usyk tries to push the pace forcefully.Comment
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Here is my scorecard:
1 - Toney
2 - Tiberi
3 - Tiberi
4 - Tiberi
5 - Tiberi
6 - Toney
7 - Tiberi
8 - Tiberi
9 - Toney
10 - Tiberi
11 - Toney
12 - Toney
Whenever you take a break from sucking on your meth pipe, feel free to post *your* scorecard - then we can continue with the debate.Comment
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I made my point twice now... Your being dense. Nunn was a very talented fighter and Toney beat him at his best. Holyfield was not shot, he pulled off a string of four wins after losing to Toney, you just explain away every win and then say Toney never beat anyone. Oh yeah and to you: Jirov was crap, why? BECAUSE TONEY BEAT HIM! Otherwise he would be superman right?I don't admit that at all.
I don't exaggerate anything. You made the argument that Bellew hit Usyk, what exactly is your point??????? When the same argument, for WORSE fighters, can be made for Toney How can a literal exact comparison of your argument be ridiculous in your mind?
The only great fighter Toney beat was Mike McCallum in the rematch and IMO he lost but won't argue with the decision.
Evander Holyfield was shot to pieces and that's a fact so why you'd bring that up I don't know.
Micheal Nunn isn't a great fighter or even close to one. And no Toney wasn't lucky, but he was schooled for the vast majority of that fight.
Its kind of funny that you only come here to hate on Toney... And you discount anything and everything that stands in his favor. Like the opinions of other fighters, and exxagerating his losses. Who cares that he lost to Tiberi? it does not make him in and of itself not worthy...He was inconsistent.
You pull the same tired schtict...The "im not exxagerating," and the "Hey I am just being objective... Holly was shot, Nunn was never that good" etc. Stop drinking the haterade!Comment
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Once again, just nothing but lies. When have I said Toney has no good wins?
Jirov was garbage. He literally has no wins of note as a professional. Literally!!!
Holyfield wasn't shot? Wow, really? You are aware that he was 2-2-1 in his last 5 fights and lost his next fight to Larry Donald right? Holyfield wasn't shot Hilarious.
"I discount everything in Toney's favour" Again, that's a lie.
I had Toney winning;
Williams
Sosa
Griffin 2
I had Toney losing;
Mcallum 2
Johnson
Yet do not argue the above two are robberies.
So please explain your BULLSHIT statment. You can't, because it's simply a lie.
As for Tiberi, it's not a big deal. I just highlight he lost to a journeyman and got hit more in that fight than Usyk did against Bellew.
It's you that brought up the shit argument that Usyk got hit by Bellew.
Ok? And? What is your point?????????
Like I said, Toney got hit more than Usyk did vs Bellew by worse fighters than Bellew, multie times. So it's a totally illogical argument.Comment
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Toney dominated peter the first fight, dominated the world champion barkley in a master class of a fight, and dominated prince charles even the bias larry merchant was hailing him as a great fighter that put on a great dominant performance in that fight. 3 dominant preformances. He dominated the second mcallum fight and the cards reflected. But these arent fights he dominated in your eyes right?Comment
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If you actually believe that Toney dominated Charles Williams, Sam Peter and Mike McCallum in the rematch then you are either extremely dumb or just out of touch with reality. Perhaps both.
Especially McCallum 2, Toney dominated that fight? Are you blind?
He dominated Barkley, problem is Barkley not a top tier fighter. Especially that version.
Once again, you don't live in reality.Comment
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