Prime JAMES TONEY Vs Usyk @ 200lbs

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  • therealpugilist
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    #21
    Originally posted by Long jabber
    First fight was close second fight he finessed him. Mccallum is an atg too. How many atg has usyk proved himself against again? Dont worry ill wait
    none of usyks behalf of course, having watched the fights several times all 3 in their entirety, he never dominated him, he beat him 1 of the fights coulve have gone either way...mccallum landed more jabs and was busier, Toney landed the harder cleaner shots

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    • boogbx
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      #22
      Toney is an ATG but it’s difficult to gauge who he’d beat and wouldn’t.

      I forgot who si was arguing with but they made me rewatch the Tiberi and Griffin fights.

      Toney by no stretch of the imagination is an unbeatable fighter, but at his best he was a site to see.

      European robotic fighters like USYK would be good for Toney on his best day, but USYK isn’t a push over either it’s a tough fight because USYK boxes better than Jirov.

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      • IronDanHamza
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        #23
        Originally posted by Long jabber
        Mccallum, holyfield, ruiz, prince charles martin, iran barkly
        Shot Holyfield ans shot McCallum are not top tier.

        Ruiz isn't top tier but he doesn't have a win over Ruiz anyway.

        He didn't dominate Prince Charles.

        A past it Iran Barkley is the only argument and let's face it he isn't even close to Usyk's level.

        Toney never dominated an elite fighter, ever. Certainly isn't starting with Usyk.

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        • IronDanHamza
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          #24
          Originally posted by therealpugilist
          at 160 and 168 hed use pivots and angle...turn his man or step around him

          watch his fights with barkley, prince charles williams and mccallum
          I've watched all of Toney's fights.

          His footwork is a massive weakness and always has been. He's a flat footed fighter.

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            #25
            Originally posted by Long jabber
            First fight was close second fight he finessed him. Mccallum is an atg too. How many atg has usyk proved himself against again? Dont worry ill wait
            Finessed him? How's the weather in this dream world you live in?

            Toney never dominated McCallum until he was shot. If anything McCallum deserved the W in the rematch.
            Last edited by IronDanHamza; 04-07-2020, 01:06 PM.

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              #26
              Originally posted by Black Jesus
              He'd handle him the same way he did Jirov
              Right, except for the fact Jirov is garbage and Usyk isn't.

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                #27
                Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                I've watched all of Toney's fights.

                His footwork is a massive weakness and always has been. He's a flat footed fighter.
                he had better footwork at the lighter weights, whether cutting off the ring or angling on come forward types the bigger he got hed just stay in the pocket and counter.....he actually had fights where he fought off the back foot in the 90s

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                • therealpugilist
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                  Finessed him? How's the weather in this dream world you live in?

                  Toney never dominated McCallum until he was shot. If anything McCallum deserved the W in the rematch.
                  agreed toney couldve lost fight 2..mccallum had a great game plan wouldve beat a lesser man that day

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                  • IronDanHamza
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by therealpugilist
                    he had better footwork at the lighter weights, whether cutting off the ring or angling on come forward types the bigger he got hed just stay in the pocket and counter.....he actually had fights where he fought off the back foot in the 90s
                    The only time I saw Toney fight off the back foot was when he argubaly lost to Sosa and be looked terrible.

                    Toney can't cut off a ring to save his life, he showed that over and over and over.

                    He positioned his feet well on the inside, but his feet are very slow and he's flat footed.
                    Last edited by IronDanHamza; 04-07-2020, 03:32 PM.

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                    • QueensburyRules
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by IronDanHamza

                      Toney never dominated an elite fighter, ever. Certainly isn't starting with Usyk.
                      - -Hold on, pard, TwoTon dominated Colonel Sanders and BurgerKing.

                      Nuf said!

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