Comments Thread For: Teddy Atlas: Golovkin Is Shot Fighter; Canelo-GGG Trilogy Too Late

[TonyGe]

Same way he ****ing Andrade and Charlo huh?

Canelo ducked buth those guys as a JM and now as a Middleweight. That's a fact. Canoli, Charlo and Andrade have been in the same divisions and held titles in those divisions for a heck of a lot longer than Golovkin and they never fought. Explain that one.

[aboutfkntime]

Lol... what’s crazy is no one said he was declining until Jacobs. What’s worst is the guy who said he was starting to decline was Jim Lampley.

Then tried to resurrect GGG into prime post Martirosyan KO.

These poor guys buy into the hype and get stuck up there trying to climb back down off the ledge.

exactly... also...

Jacobs was a HUGE underdog, nobody gave him a chance

NOBODY ever called Jacobs elite until after the Golovkin fight

Golovkin suddenly got old at THE EXACT SAME TIME he stepped up his competition

who woulda thought ???

it is clearly obvious that Golovkin was over-rated

good fighter... just not as good as advertised

the fcuk-monkeys are still running around saying he can beat Ward LMAO

[topo5358]

sTAYING IN YOUR WEIGHT CLASS ISN'T DUCKING

[QUOTE=Young Bidness;20491422]And let’s not pretend GGG didn’t duck 168-175 much of his career. That had nothing to do with Canelo. [/QUOTE

Using that warped logic Marvin Hagler ducked larger fighters for his entire career. Just can't see it. Monzon too. Nope. That dog won't hunt.

[Thuglife Nelo]

[QUOTE=topo5358;20492222]

And let’s not pretend GGG didn’t duck 168-175 much of his career. That had nothing to do with Canelo. [/QUOTE

Using that warped logic Marvin Hagler ducked larger fighters for his entire career. Just can't see it. Monzon too. Nope. That dog won't hunt.

GGG is bigger than Hagler. You know that right? Like how Cotto isn’t your ideal Middleweight but got power in both hands to fight bigger guys

[yankees7448]

And in their mid to late 30's they get better too lol

They can get better but they also slow down which offsets it.

[yankees7448]

And that was ALL Bo**** fault. He made poor career decisions and ducked BJS, Charlo, Canelo and Cotto at CW in 2015, ducked Ward, Lara, Andrade and Dervenchenko.

That's why they call him Bumlovkin...just fights Bums. Hell he's set to fight another Bum which will make like 5/8 last opponents are Bums...what a career

He didn't duck Ward. That's a lie. Ward was inactive for much of GGG's rise and he wasn't a realistic option when he started to become active.
He didn't duck Lara at 154. That's a lie. Lara was just as content to fight ****ty opponents at 154.
He didn't duck Cotto. Cotto ran from him like the wind.
He fought Dervenchenko ******.
He signed a contract to fight BJS ******.
But yea...right now it don't look like he's got the slightest interest in fighting Charlo or Andrade.

[chirorickyp]

Teddy is **** on correct. GGG screwed twice and loses badly in the 3rd. He's shot , his shot means top 10 ranking not division killer he once was in his prime.

[emceetns]

You mean like how Erislandy Lara and Andre Ward tried to expose him way sooner and GGG became a businessman all of a sudden?

I will give you that and he could have had those fights if he wanted.

[PBR Streetgang]

Man, GGG really elicits some passion on both sides of the argument. There are alot of truths out there and they don't all fall on side or the other. Here are some of my takes:

1) for whatever reason he hit the mainstream market late in the game. A long amateur career, poor promotion, etc. I don't think that's completely his fault.

2) he was an impressive, offensive minded knockout puncher. This style of fighter is always over-hyped. It's a natural phenomenon, when power punchers fight guys below thier level they usually blow them out in more convincing fashion than other styles. They, and pressure/volume fighters usually have a shorter shelf life than your boxers.
3) Canelo used his leverage to get the fight when he wanted it. I thought GGG won the first fight and I thought the second was close and probably a draw but if a fighter won it, I'd give it to Canelo. I imagine Canelo wins the third fight without controversy.
4) unless a fighter is struggling to make a weight, I don't think he's obligated to go up in weight class. Hopkins made his legacy at 160 and how many times did he fight Robert Allen and Antwun Echols in that run? I don't begrudge him for that.

GGG was a very good fighter and he was also very hyped by the HBO machine. He fought most of his top competition on the down slide of his career. He didn't look as impressive in alot of these fights because of one or multiple reasons listed above.

[merazvu]

Where its appropriate yes he should be held accountable. For instance, I think Jacobs and Dervy are every bit as worthy of getting a rematch with GGG as GGG was worthy of getting his rematch with Canelo. He should have ****** it up and met Canelo at a catchweight when Canelo gave up the 160 belt. Whether Canelo weight drained him or was waiting for him to age he would have been at a disadvantage regardless. But lets not pretend age isn't a factor and that he wasn't ducked during much of his career.

ggg was never ducked,he ducked dervy for a rematch and jacobs for a rematch and yet he cry loud for a rematch against canelo and canelo give it to him so lets not forget that he ducked people too,not to mention that he demanded the jugges,reff and gloves for canelos rematch,AGE IS NOT A FACTOR OR EXCUSE JUST LOOK AT PACQUIAO STILL COMPETING AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL