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All of this is hypothetical, but it makes for a good discussion. I tend to favor the old guys, but that might be a stretch, because of modern training methods and state of the art nutrition available to champions and most other top fighters. At best, GGG wins 40% of your matchups, but I would favor him only in two.
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Even if you watch him fighting Stevens, Proska, Macklin, he was obviously faster than he was against Munroe. Whats more he was faster in Canelo one than the rematch. That's to the naked eye. He was never fast, but hes looked like Joe Joyce for years now. Have a look at him in the amateurs, he was quite a snappy boxer until Abel decided it was he's life's work to create another Julio Cesar Chavez.Comment
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Thanks for the comment, and I accept the criticism (if I was included in that remark!), however it was Golovkin that said it not me! Whilst another poster pointed out to me that a fight with ward was, hypothetically, only there for a short time frame, it was there and Golovkin then changed that 168 to 164. In the aftermath of the Canelo fights, I now suspect that GGG has always been less about the legacy that he'd have us believe!Comment
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He did eventually on ESPN. He was asked point blank if he would cut weight for Canelo and he said no. He said he would for Floyd but not Canelo. The thing that bugs some people on the forum is that Canelo had to meet Golovkin's terms on weight to get that fight. The ignore that Canelo picked the venue, the gloves, the judges, who gets in the ring first, the purse split, and the lead promoter for the first fight. They ignore that he trashed the WBC belt in order to duck and delay Golovkin.Comment
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I could see that. He could have moved down to fight Canelo at 154 after Canelo dumped the belt instead of wasting time trying to make a deal with Chris Eubanks Jr only to settle for Kell Brook to save the date. I know he was obscessed with unifying all the belts at middleweight which is an awesome goal he almost accomplished but he also could have decided to focus on one or two belts so that maybe he didn't have to worry about mandatories like the one he made against Dominic Wade. I know he tried to squeeze the Danny Jacobs fight in towards the end of the year but when it didn't come off 2016 looks like a waste of time.
He'd be making that same mistake now by fighting Kamil Szchemiza (or whatever the hell his name is). What if the coronavirus makes a second fight this year impossible and Kamil is the only fight he's able to get before the calendar moves to 2021. That would be a waste. His mandatory isn't due yet so he technically has time to fight someone else. Maybe a rematch with Dervy would be too tough and too much of a risk ahead of a Canelo trilogy fight but perhaps Jaime Mungia or a unification fight with someone like Ryota Murata.
Most boxers have moments like this where they could make bigger and better fights throughout their careers. GGG is no exception and these 3 particular fights are good examples of those times.Last edited by yankees7448; 04-01-2020, 02:41 PM.Comment
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Well yeah, he has stylistic weaknesses. But he's strengths beat he welters on your list. Abraham had no workrate at all, an hes one power was power, probably negated by a good chin like Golovkin. Barkley smashed by Benn and knocked down and out pointed by an ancient Duran isn't beating Golovkin. He beat great fighters with weak chins. I know what you mean about Ouma, but lots of fighters have struggles when they shouldnt. Look at James Toney against Sanderline Williams. Nigel Benn against Reggie Miller. Thay kind of thing happens, it doesnt always mean much. It's a shame because Golovkin was signed to fight Pirog, that wouldve been good at that stage.I don't think he was scared to fight, i think he was badly managed. He couldve had a much more interesting career. But him vs Canelo now, he's deteriorated to much. He's slow like old George Foreman now. All he can land is a jab.Comment
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I was referring to your COVID-19 comment.
About the rest, GGG's performance proved what I said about the first Canelo fight regardless of what the cards say. The majority of the ringside media had GGG winning handily, as did Lederman and almost every other boxing expert worth their salt.
Now, my question was: Was GGG shot when he did that to THE CURRENT P4P#1 FIGHTER? Link: https://www.******.com/ratings/
Previous fights where he dominated and/or stopped his opponents, such as Kassim Ouma is irrelevant.
Now, the insults and trying to sound smart or intelligent that get no points with me aside, boxing is obviously up for interpretation. A fighter is only as good as his last fight it seems. But, doesn't it strike you that GGG carried himself very, very well when he convincingly beat Canelo in 2017 at 34 and yet barely came away with a win over a far lesser fighter in Sergiy Derevyanchenko in 2019 when he was 37? Not only that, the eye test was pretty damning. GGG could no longer pull the trigger with his opponent as he had always done. He started showing signs of that first in the 2nd Canelo fight.
Do you not know the effect on age when to comes to a fighters reflexes and overall physical ability? Do you not have the capacity to understand that even at 34 most fighters are well into decline? Roy Jones was starched at 34 by Tarver. Ali was being beaten by a 7 fight Leon Spinks at that age for fxcks sake. Despite some anomalies here and there, this is a young mans sport.
If you don't know these basic truths about athletics and boxing, how am I to take you seriously? How is anyone not to just assume that you are a hater and didn't most likely honor in debate class in high school?
Move along junior. GGG is past it and it's obvious. Teddy Atlas should convince you if I can't.
Oh, and this is my last response so enjoy it, numbnutz.Comment
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