Comments Thread For: Teddy Atlas: Golovkin Is Shot Fighter; Canelo-GGG Trilogy Too Late

[ruedboy]

Prolonged inactivity is one of the worst things for an aging fighter, so Atlas has a point. Even if you're in the gym, aint nothing like the real thing.

[Doubledagger]

If GGG had faced Kell Brooks and Daniel Jacobs with the same results in 2013-14 instead of 2016-17 then I would agree with you.

Also, I have noticed that overrated hype jobs and weaker titleholders tend to get big fights way easier

Case in point, Julio Caesar Chavez Jr. had no problem getting a PPV date against Sergio Martinez and everyone and their mother wanted a shot at Paulie Malignaggi when he won a belt at 147. If Golovkin was truly that overrated then an elite opponent would have tried to "expose" him way sooner. That's just how it works.

You mean like how Erislandy Lara and Andre Ward tried to expose him way sooner and GGG became a businessman all of a sudden?

[Dasmius Shinobi]

Saul Canelo Alvarez vs Gennady Golovkin III

In the sense of business, I am not against about this fight, but the emotion is not going to be the same, because we know Gennaddy Golovkin is not the same and this time Canelo is going to finish him. Great money, but Gennady Golovkin is going to be the sacrificial lamb. I hope GGG is well paid in this one, because there is a high chance that GGG is not going to be the same after the third fight with Canelo.

[creekrat77]

Let's flip that around.

Why did the second fight happen a year later instead of 6 months later?

Because when they tried to force the issue, Carnelo told WBC to kick rocks, he'd do his own thing.

Sulaiman bowed down.

Carnelo switched back, got the W.

You can't deny any of this.

Now, let's adjust the question - to address what Teddy Atlas is trying to say (why didn't the THIRD fight happen sooner)?

Because Carnelo went off and took three belts off top tier opposition in three different weight classes.

Golovkin, meanwhile, took a RAZOR thin victory over Dereyvanchenko to get two belts - belts Carnelo had vacated and is likely to get back again.

But let's put this in perspective.

Carnelo beat Golovkin in 2018, Golovkin has not lost since, Carnelo has not lost since. So age is not an excuse.

Bottom line: it's not Carnelo's fault he's still young and skilled.

That's all that matters here. Atlas is FOS.

Top tier opposition at 168? Who?

[Doubledagger]

Bro...Problem with GGG is he struggles with boxers. Kel Brook was giving him problems and he was a welterweight. Without the injury who knows if he wins that fight?

So no I don’t believe it is certain and at times it’s possible for him to beat most on that list. If his prime was earlier, why did he struggle with an old shop worn way past prime Kassim Ouma in 2011? Eventually he got the KO but it makes me say what if those fighters were prime on prime? And Ouma wasn’t even close to being the best Middleweight of his day. GGG did more to prove his standing in his tougher fights than he ever did in the so called prime part of his career. If he was better then, shame on them for not moving him faster because he left some legacy on the table getting into the mix later on. But I do give him credit for Sergio Martinez because I did see Sergio Martinez duck him.

Same way he ****ing Andrade and Charlo huh?

[Combat Talk Radio]

Top tier opposition at 168? Who?

WBA champion at 168
IBF champion at 160
WBO champion at 175


Am I lying?

[daggum]

You mean like how Erislandy Lara and Andre Ward tried to expose him way sooner and GGG became a businessman all of a sudden?

he tried to fight ward and ward tried to fight sartison instead. do your research please. then wards offer years later called for him to postpone a canelo fight for more than a year. obviously a non starter. when did lara make any offers? all he asked for was millions so not sure that was ever going to happen. you can say ggg didnt chase lara hard enough but they werent even in the same division and he didnt bring any money like brook did so yeah context is key.

[daggum]

WBA champion at 168
IBF champion at 160
WBO champion at 175


Am I lying?

haney was wbc champ at 135. he fought top guys too?

[aboutfkntime]

Golovkin seemingly aged overnight against Derevyanchenko

everyone said the same thing after the Jacobs fight LMAO

[Apollo7]

Problem is there is nothing in his early years to point to greater All-time great capability. Especially since his weakness was boxing technique.

If he was better his handlers should have moved him faster/ differently. He was an Olympic Gold Medalist what were the waiting on?

That's not really relevant. This is about GGG vs Canelo 3, not GGG's ATG status.