Comments Thread For: Teddy Atlas: Golovkin Is Shot Fighter; Canelo-GGG Trilogy Too Late

[Doubledagger]

FYI the whole thread is about Canelo and Golovkin. My remarks are relevant. The fact is Canelo avoided fighting both Charlo and Andrade since his days as a JM and nothing has changed since then.

Again, what does Canelo have to do with what I said about Golovkin?

[Doubledagger]

He could have fought those guys, however neither guy was at 160 at the time and Lara is still at 154 to this day.

Oh, and before we start with the "anybody from 154-168" business, yes, Golovkin never should have said that because in all honesty GGG was only willing to go down to 154 for Mayweather or Pacquiao. Also, Lara could have actually moved to 160 and faced a top contender there to really put himself in position as a serious possibility.

So in other words, "anyone from 154 to 168....but you have to jump over this hurdle first, and then round around that building"?

Smh! Typical GGG nuthugging mentality.

[aboutfkntime]

I thought Golovkin showed some signs of getting old against Kell Brook (the fight before Jacobs) and I believe that the last fight of his prime was David Lemieux. The Dominic Wade fight obviously didn't tell us anything but I saw a clear difference between GGG against Lemieux vs him against Brook. He still got the job done but he had to work a lot harder than he would have in say 2013.

Brook has skills that Lemieux does not know exist

Lemieux is a total plodder

the quicker Brook had early success, just like the quicker Khan did with Canelo

Golovkin's... " decline " ... started at THE EXACT SAME TIME he stepped up his competition... in the same fight

[aboutfkntime]

I am not even interested or care about the canelo/ggg 3. GGG is done and has been on a decline since 2016. He is not getting better, he don't take shots well to the body, and he is getting slower(even slower than his already slow self, taking more shots). He is a brutal KO waiting to happen, and is there for the taking. Canelo really have nothing to prove even if he wins by KO. The fight is no longer compelling. It would have been more compelling had they fought in 2015 instead of 2017.

then Golovkin's " decline "... would have started 2 years earlier

[aboutfkntime]

So in other words, "anyone from 154 to 168....but you have to jump over this hurdle first, and then round around that building"?

Smh! Typical GGG nuthugging mentality.

you know that someone is blurting out bullshlt excuses when they use the ol... "Lara needed to prove himself"... line...

Brook, did not need to " prove himself "... at 160

Vanes, did not need to " prove himself "... at 160

Golovkin was even willing to help Rosado " prove himself "... by fighting him at 158 catchweight

[emceetns]

So in other words, "anyone from 154 to 168....but you have to jump over this hurdle first, and then round around that building"?

Smh! Typical GGG nuthugging mentality.

You missed the whole point of what I said. I acknowledged that GGG shouldn't have said anything about "154 to 168". That's me being objective but I guess that anything besides bashing GGG relentlessly is nuthugging. Now that I have addressed "154-168" for the 154th to 168th time, Lara could have moved up to compete at 160 if he wanted but he chose not to, and that's fine.

[emceetns]

you know that someone is blurting out bullshlt excuses when they use the ol... "Lara needed to prove himself"... line...

Brook, did not need to " prove himself "... at 160

Vanes, did not need to " prove himself "... at 160

Golovkin was even willing to help Rosado " prove himself "... by fighting him at 158 catchweight

Brook stepped in at the last minute to replace Chris Eubank Jr., who balked at the last minute.

Vanes never would have happened without Canelo's failed drug test and of course he wasn't gonna face a threat before

Rosado declined the catchweight and fought Golovkin at 160.

[emceetns]

Brook has skills that Lemieux does not know exist

Lemieux is a total plodder

the quicker Brook had early success, just like the quicker Khan did with Canelo

Golovkin's... " decline " ... started at THE EXACT SAME TIME he stepped up his competition... in the same fight

Here is what I saw looking at the Lemieux and Brook fights, and it had nothing to do with Lemieux and Brook:

Against Lemieux he was clinical with a snappy jab. His punches were crisper and he moved around the ring better.

Against Brook he had to resort to brute force because he didn't have the same quickness.

I don't think it was simply a difference in competition because GGG has been relying on brute force against everyone ever since 2016, even Steve Rolls and Vanes Martirosyan.

If it was just the competition then he wouldn't be getting hit so much against guys like Steve Rolls. Say what you want about Golovkin but he wasn't getting hit like that against that caliber of opponent in 2012-2015.

[aboutfkntime]

Brook stepped in at the last minute to replace Chris Eubank Jr., who balked at the last minute.

Vanes never would have happened without Canelo's failed drug test and of course he wasn't gonna face a threat before

Rosado declined the catchweight and fought Golovkin at 160.

none of your silly excuses change the facts...

Brook, did not need to " prove himself "... at 160
Vanes, did not need to " prove himself "... at 160
Rosado, did not need to " prove himself "... at 160

only Lara needed to... " prove himself "... at 160

[aboutfkntime]

Here is what I saw looking at the Lemieux and Brook fights, and it had nothing to do with Lemieux and Brook:

Against Lemieux he was clinical with a snappy jab. His punches were crisper and he moved around the ring better.

Against Brook he had to resort to brute force because he didn't have the same quickness.

I don't think it was simply a difference in competition because GGG has been relying on brute force against everyone ever since 2016, even Steve Rolls and Vanes Martirosyan.

If it was just the competition then he wouldn't be getting hit so much against guys like Steve Rolls. Say what you want about Golovkin but he wasn't getting hit like that against that caliber of opponent in 2012-2015.

" he didn't have the same quickness "against Brook, that he did against Lemieux... because Brook is MUCH faster than Lemieux, who is a total plodder

regarding G getting hit... go watch the Ouma fight which was back in 2011

Golovkin's " decline " started when he fought Danny Jacobs