Comments Thread For: Teddy Atlas: Golovkin Is Shot Fighter; Canelo-GGG Trilogy Too Late

[Fire4231]

****** to say age wasn't a factor when he got all those fights well into his 30s. Mayweather was 20 or 21 when he fought Gennaro Hernandez. Cotto was 26 when he fought Paulie Malinaggi. Canelo was 23 when he fought Floyd Mayweather Jr. Sergei Kovalev was 30 when he fought B-Hop. Conversely, GGG was a month away from 34 years old when he fought Danny Jacobs.

Lol... Let’s focus on one fighter GGG who coincidentally showed no evidence of a slide until fighting Jacobs. So how come no one included HBO called out the loss of prime before he was given that gift decision against Jacobs? And if he was past prime the whole time who did he fight in his prime to deserve the accolades HBO put on him?

Btw- what’s your debate? I said he was a champion and a good fighter? So are you trying to tell me he is a top 25 all time great fighter? A guy who was lost his prime on the exact day he fought real competition? Isn’t that convenient. GTFOH with that BS.

[Bunch Pag]

GGG is finished as a top boxer. Unfortunately a thing called age has caught him up. It happens to the best of them..

I just wish these things like unnecessary and unwanted trilogies can't be let go and move boxing on.

I could understand if we are talking of 2 fighters at the top of the game but we aren't. It's 2 boxers at each end of the scale.....

[yankees7448]

Good points however it is what it is. Wasn't Golovkin was calling everyone from 154-168 out but then wanted a catch-weight for Ward?

The Ward fight wasn't a realistic option. Ward was inactive for much of GGG's rise. Then there was a period between October 18th 2014 (when he won the interm WBC title versus Marco Antonio Rubio) and May 18th 2016 (when Canelo vacated the belt rather than fight GGG at 160) when GGG was the mandatory contender for Miguel Cotto and then Canelo Alvarez. Andre Ward had already left 168 to fight at 175 by then (he fought Sullivan Barrera at 175 on March 26th 2016).

So despite what morons like about***intime would say there was a very limited time range when the fight would have been possible and during that time period GGG was the mandatory challenger for a much bigger (in terms of fan following) and more lucrative opponent. Was Ward an option during that time? Sure. But no one in GGG's position would risk losing an opportunity to fight against money making stars like Cotto or Canelo for a fight with Ward.

[Chippie]

I think golovkin one both Canelo fights, the politics played a massive part in both results. Actually at the time I was disgusted with the results. The ggg against dereveyanchenko could have gone either way, the thing is i dont know why so many people are shocked at this he is a real good fighter, is it because the early knock down and golovkin didn't finish it? Was he actually sick? I guess were going to find that out in his next fight. Honestly I hate atlas but I think he is correct and unfortunately I believe this will be the one that canelo goes onto win comfortably. That would give him one out of three, at least he'll be able to retire knowing he actually won for real and wasnt gifted the decision.

[yankees7448]

So you’re saying GGG couldn’t have ranked at 168 like the ages you described in mid to late 20’s with other boxers and only focus on “34” with Jacobs?

GGG didn't even get on HBO until he was 30. Before that he had tried unsuccessfully to get fights with the likes of Felix Sturm and Sergio Martinez.

[Verus]

Why is Canelo ducking Beterbiev, Bivol, and everybody at cruiserweight?

That has nothing to with GGG.

Canelo is also ducking Fury, Wilder and Joshua. Stop it. The guy is not a bonafide light heavyweight. He is only 5'7". His best weight is 160.

[Black Jesus]

Look, the fight was boring when they were both still in their primes. I wouldn't even put this on a co-main now

[Fire4231]

If GGG had faced Kell Brooks and Daniel Jacobs with the same results in 2013-14 instead of 2016-17 then I would agree with you.

Also, I have noticed that overrated hype jobs and weaker titleholders tend to get big fights way easier

Case in point, Julio Caesar Chavez Jr. had no problem getting a PPV date against Sergio Martinez and everyone and their mother wanted a shot at Paulie Malignaggi when he won a belt at 147. If Golovkin was truly that overrated then an elite opponent would have tried to "expose" him way sooner. That's just how it works.

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So wait a minute bro. So you believe based on what you saw before the fight with Danny Jacobs and who he fought during that period that Golovkin is a top 25 All Time Great? And if the competition was admittedly bad, how do we know he lost prime when if you put GGG in with that same level of fighter today he would still bull doze right through them? My point is whether he was prime or not GGG hasn’t demonstrated that he was indeed a Top 25 all time great.

That is what HBO and ESPN claimed that he was. Based on assessing his career before and after Jacobs. Are you really debating this? I said he was a legit champion and a good fighter. But absolutely nothing about GGG’s career says he is an all time great fighter let alone all time great Middleweight. To be candid, I don’t know that he beats a prime Arthur Abraham. Sorry bro we are not debating whether he was good or not. We are discussing was he over hyped. Absolutely he was over hyped.

[Idunnoshet]

Why is Canelo ducking Beterbiev, Bivol, and everybody at cruiserweight?

That has nothing to with GGG.

Funny how I posted after his KO over Kovalev how the anti Canelo squad would be asking " why doesn't he fight Beterbiev " ?
But you went all out and even asked why he doesn't fight the Cruiserweights.
I think Canelo Can beat Bivol since he looks like he can make 168. But he should steer clear of Beterbiev.

Was gonna ask if you were being sarcastic. But after looking at your post history I know where you stand when it comes to Canelo.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Where its appropriate yes he should be held accountable. For instance, I think Jacobs and Dervy are every bit as worthy of getting a rematch with GGG as GGG was worthy of getting his rematch with Canelo. He should have ****** it up and met Canelo at a catchweight when Canelo gave up the 160 belt. Whether Canelo weight drained him or was waiting for him to age he would have been at a disadvantage regardless. But lets not pretend age isn't a factor and that he wasn't ducked during much of his career.

And the fact of the matter is, Golovkin has NOT LOST outside of Carnelo. Just like Manny has not lost since Horn.

I'll say it again. We need to STOP using age as an excuse for when these fighters take a loss. They lost. They picked themselves up and they're still competitive.

If you're a fan, you need to speak on it. It doesn't matter how old Fighter B is when Fighter A fights them. Skill is skill. It's not Carnelo's fault that he happened to be born almost 10 years before Golovkin. It's not Floyd's fault that he happened to be born 3 years before Manny. It's not Spence's fault that Crawford is content to fight B-levels well into his 30's. It's not Joshua's fault that Wilder was content to fight B-levels well into his 30's.

Tommy Hearns was still a skilled, dangerous fighter well into his late 30's. BUT, he had stepped up and accepted A-side terms for legacy defining fights when he was younger.

Unlike Golovkin. Unlike Manny. Unlike Crawford. Unlike Wilder.

THOSE guys are/were content to keep sparking B-levels because it makes them look good and delayed legacy fights until after they were past 30. That's not the fault of the A-sides and you need to start holding these B-sides accountable.