honest question for AJ fans

[Randall Cunning]

Refusing to fight where the most money, by far, would be generated, is a duck. If AJ is such a coward that he'd rather take 15 million less, good for him, but he's also asking Wilder to take 15 million less and who the hell would do that? Can you give us one example in the entire history of boxing where a fight took place in a location that would generate that much less than another location?

How is Wilder getting $15 million less

To cover Joshua's $50mil purse the fight needs to generate - $100million+

For Wilder to get $15million in the US - $130mil+

For Wilder to get $30million - $160million+

What shows its even a $100million fight in the US.

We don't know what Joshua is gunna make in the fight to know how much less than $50mil he'll be making. Are DAZN gunna sign him on a multiple fight contract? What improvements are their going to be on his Matchroom contract? Yet to be seen how much of a bad decision hes made turning down $50mil

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How is Wilder getting $15 million less

Showtime was willing to guarantee 80 million in purses. 50 for AJ, 30 for Wilder. 62.5/37.5 split.

We don't know what Joshua is gunna make in the fight to know how much less than $50mil he'll be making.

Hearn himself is the one that said he'd make 15 million less fighting in the UK.

[Laligalaliga]

You are saying the MAN makes the belt, which a lot of fans like to say. The problem with that philosophy is that it allows someone like Chris Eubank to try to hide behind an unrecognized belt, or Ricky Hatton for so many years with the WBU, or countless other examples.

The history of the championship is important. AJ winning the IBF title wasn't significant because Charles Martin held the title. It was significant because Larry Holmes held the title. And Mike Tyson. And Evander Holyfield. And Lennox Lewis. And Wladimir Klitschko. And so many others.

The WBO wasn't the least important just because Joe Parker held it. It was the least important because Ali never held it. Tyson never held it. Foreman never held it. Lewis never held it. Holyfield never held it. Holmes never held it. Frazier never held it. And so many others.

Many fans think of the belts as random interchangeable titles. Not realizing the sport of boxing focuses on four major leagues, but the talent in each league is usually not equal. Some leagues are older than others. Some are recognized in more countries. Some attract more credible talent.

How you climb the rankings and get in contention is an intricate process. Yes it's political. Yes there's corruption. But this is the system the promoters and networks have chosen.

honestly I like your detailed explanations, it shed more lights in details... But I want to believe things change with respect to these great points you listed above.

For now I think aside the IBO like you explained earlier some time ago, had credible holders in the past which made them prestigious.
I still believe wilder is a great champ, no doubt but AJ is the face of HW for now and what ever belt he has is prestigious cos he is defending them in great fashion and still doing.
I like you stances in this matter.

[brettWall]

Exactly. In reality, as soon as you read something like a missing date, you address it ASAP, if it's that important to you, via every communication tool you have by cell phone, landline, email, text, twitter, you name it. The POTUS can respond in seconds. These clowns need weeks to respond.

It is said that Wilder got three managers. (Was it four?) So each manager spends one week, each has his own demands and level of hate on Hearn.

And if your goal is just to put Hearn in a bad light as if he's your enemy, then the fight will never happen. You may have succeeded, but you end up not getting what you wanted, which is the fight.

I never understood why these negotiations had to be adversarial in nature, as opposed to doing them in a friendly environment over a cup of tea or coffee. Like they say, "Sports bring people together." Not in boxing.

[rickJen]

It is said that Wilder got three managers. (Was it four?) So each manager spends one week, each has his own demands and level of hate on Hearn.

And if your goal is just to put Hearn in a bad light as if he's your enemy, then the fight will never happen. You may have succeeded, but you end up not getting what you wanted, which is the fight.

I never understood why these negotiations had to be adversarial in nature, as opposed to doing them in a friendly environment over a cup of tea or coffee. Like they say, "Sports bring people together." Not in boxing.

[rickJen]

Like they say, "Sports bring people together." Not in boxing.

Good music that sounds good for everyone brings people together. That's for sure.

[Randall Cunning]

Showtime was willing to guarantee 80 million in purses. 50 for AJ, 30 for Wilder. 62.5/37.5 split.




Hearn himself is the one that said he'd make 15 million less fighting in the UK.

If Showtime was willing to put $80 mil into the fight, it sounds a lot like Showtime would want to tie down Joshua for multiple fights. Then if Joshua does get a share of Matchroom with his new contract, it goes against what he, Matchroom and DAZN are trying to achieve, sending the most valuable asset to their main competition.

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If Showtime was willing to put $80 mil into the fight, it sounds a lot like Showtime would want to tie down Joshua for multiple fights. Then if Joshua does get a share of Matchroom with his new contract, it goes against what he, Matchroom and DAZN are trying to achieve, sending the most valuable asset to their main competition.

the offer made it very clear. no rematch. no options. one fight deal. showtime believed it would easily sell enough ppv to cover guarantee.

[MUNG]

hearn must be one hell of a con or sales man, here sign this contract, its for a fight with my guy aj, sorry there is no date because the fight is next year probably or maybe the year after, sorry guys gots dazn business to take care of, c ya all laterz, big ed

btw ignore all of my bs on the media about the fight in wales or october or whenever this year, its all spoof, i will wiggle out of it somehow, just sign the contract and all is well, honest

if thats a masterplan then its either so good its genius or so ****** it terminal

[Sid-Knee]

Refusing to fight where the most money, by far, would be generated, is a duck. If AJ is such a coward that he'd rather take 15 million less, good for him, but he's also asking Wilder to take 15 million less and who the hell would do that? Can you give us one example in the entire history of boxing where a fight took place in a location that would generate that much less than another location?

No fighter is a coward for taking more or less money, so don't be ******. All that matters is the fight actually taking place. But with you, it seems you're more interested in how much money either gets than the fight happening. Get a grip on yourself, you sound ******. AJ is A side and he's decided he wants to fight in the UK, which is his right.

Who in their right mind asks a big A side to give him most of the money in the rematch should he win?

Who in their right mind asks for a rematch clause against a big A side even though they're a weak B side?

Who in their right mind would call over 15 mill "Crackhead money" even though they usually earn 1.5 mill a fight?

And if you think Joshua is a coward for turning down the most money, then you have a accept Wilder as a coward for turning down the most money for Whyte. But is Wilder willing to pay Whyte millions and give him by far his biggest payday by having the fight in the US the way Joshua is willing to do for Wilder? **** no!!

You're nothing but a hypocrite.