honest question for AJ fans

[Rubber Ducky]

AJ fan but honestly don't think Hearn ever wanted it next, he always said late 2018 or 2019 after an interim fight.

But I don't think Wilder wanted it next either though. The 50 mill offer was for a fight after Sept 2018 and was made at a time when he could of fit in a fight with Breazeale. Breazeale himself confirmed he was on standby for a fight for July/Aug.

But whatever either side wanted is moot the Povetkin mandatory takes precedent. Wilder delayed the contract issues for too long and has pushed any possible fight until after Povetkin.

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That means they can grow stronger if they continue inline because to me they have one of the best rankings in HW.

their rankings are just the boxrec rankings with the other champions removed

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I think you focus more on AJ turning down 50mil and ignore all welders online failed promises...

What were Wilder's failed promises?

I do sometimes like you analysis but some times its also biased towards AJ that I begin to think you have special love for wilder instead of boxing.

I have no love for fighting. Combat sports is just how I make my living. I have no more love for Wilder than I do for AJ -- which for both is zero. The simple truth is that Wilder wanted the fight next and AJ didn't. Has nothing to do with bias. I still wish AJ well. I still consider him the #1 heavyweight in the world. I still favor him to beat Wilder.

The fight not been signed cannot be attributed to a camp alone... Both camps should take responsibility for the failed negotiations.

In this instance, that's simply not true. One camp gave in on EVERYTHING and the other camp didn't keep their word about doing the fight next.

If both camps wanted the fight to happen next, it would have. It takes two to tango.

[Laligalaliga]

I have no love for fighting. Combat sports is just how I make my living. I have no more love for Wilder than I do for AJ -- which for both is zero. The simple truth is that Wilder wanted the fight next and AJ didn't. Has nothing to do with bias. I still wish AJ well. I still consider him the #1 heavyweight in the world. I still favor him to beat Wilder.




In this instance, that's simply not true. One camp gave in on EVERYTHING and the other camp didn't keep their word about doing the fight next.

If both camps wanted the fight to happen next, it would have. It takes two to tango.

What were Wilder's failed promises?

He said its not about the money that he will travel to the UK to fight AJ that he wants to be the undisputed. He will KO AJ and very confident about it.
To my surprise, he couldn't fulfil those promises and he is demanding for rematch clause.
At the same time requesting for 50/50.
I didnt see the commitment in backing his words to be undisputed champion.
Besides, being so confident of KO your opponent, making the fight in April shouldnt be reason to call off the fight.
A determined champ will not allow shift in fight date affect his ambition.

That's what I think about wilder's camp.

[Sid-Knee]

I'm not worried. The fight doesn't affect my wallet. But it does show an unprecedented fear of losing that's never been seen before in boxing.

The fact you think AJ not fighting in the US is "Unprecedented fear of losing that's never been seen before in boxing" shows how detached from reality you really are. The desperation that comes off you is ugly. The fact you're oblivious to it is what makes you seem insane.

A side always wants home court, history is littered with these facts. If you fight your opposition, then that's all that matters. Money shouldn't come into it. But you're desperate to paint AJ in a certain light because you're paid to. It's really sad.

[Sid-Knee]

Anybody can sell out if they choose a small enough venue. "Selling out" isn't what's impressive. Tickets sold & dollars spent is what's generated. "Sell out" is cute for marketing, but ultimately meaningless.




If Haye or Bellew could have generated the kind of money a Wilder fight would generate, AJ would have been begging for those fights. Don't recall any 15 million dollar offers to those guys.




If it was really so much more than he was making, he would have taken the offer. The fact that the offer, like all of Hearn's DAZN offers, was laughed at, tells you all you need to know that the files purses are bogus.

Do you or do you not believe Cotto only made 700k for his retirement fight?

Haha, look at you making excuses for Wilder for not being able to sell out. Pathetic. Brits are able to sell out arenas the size of Barclays all the time. Wilder can't sell tickets, full stop. He's a 2 bit nobody.

You said Wilder is the second best fighter at his weight to make money on his fights so I asked for you to break it down, so what is this bull****? Stop playing slight of hand all the time and give me the break-down. You claim to know, so you must have the knowledge to break it down for me. You understand?

Wilder didn't take the offer because he's a punk who wants to fight bums. You know, like he has done his whole career? No way the fraud fights anyone who could jeopardize his cash-out fight against Joshua. So don't give me all this crap. Your excuses are embarrassing. You're a complete hypocrite to your core, and you damn well know it as well. You and Wilder are exactly the same, both of you are pathetic jokes.

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The fact you think AJ not fighting in the US is "Unprecedented fear of losing that's never been seen before in boxing" shows how detached from reality you really are.

It is an unprecedented fear of losing. Nobody has ever taken that much less to fight at home before. It's unheard of.

A side always wants home court

False. A-side always wants to maximize revenue.

Canelo's big fights aren't in Mexico. GGG's big fights aren't in Kazakhstan. Pacquiao's big fights aren't in the Philippines. Lennox Lewis's big fights weren't in the UK. Vasyl Lomachenko's big fights aren't in the Ukraine. Erik Morales's big fights weren't in Mexico. Etc etc.

Your statement is ridiculous.

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He said its not about the money that he will travel to the UK to fight AJ that he wants to be the undisputed.

Which is why he agreed to go to the UK for a low ball flat fee.

To my surprise, he couldn't fulfil those promises and he is demanding for rematch clause.

That is false. He agreed to go to the UK for a low ball flat fee with no rematch if he lost.

At the same time requesting for 50/50.

Because Hearn lied about the fight being next, Wilder is done being treated like ****. If Hearn wants to keep stalling, it's going to cost him. So Wilder is back to publicly requesting 50/50 (just like Parker did), even though he'd obviously take 60/40. You always start higher and in Wilder's mind, negotiations are starting over from scratch after Hearn refused to keep his word about the fight being next even after Wilder agreed to everything.

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DUCKING

Do you or do you not believe Cotto only made 700k for his retirement fight?

[Sid-Knee]

It is an unprecedented fear of losing. Nobody has ever taken that much less to fight at home before. It's unheard of.




False. A-side always wants to maximize revenue.

Canelo's big fights aren't in Mexico. GGG's big fights aren't in Kazakhstan. Pacquiao's big fights aren't in the Philippines. Lennox Lewis's big fights weren't in the UK. Vasyl Lomachenko's big fights aren't in the Ukraine. Erik Morales's big fights weren't in Mexico. Etc etc.

Your statement is ridiculous.

There isn't a big boxing scene in those countries, that's why they fight elsewhere. Again, pretty simple really.