Comments Thread For: Hearn: Without Joshua, Wilder's Future is Not Too Bright or Rosy

[Travycat]

There's no other payday even remotely close to this for Deontay. That green belt is a pretty sweet bargaining chip, but he's crazy if he lets Joshua have more fights and time to develop.

[The Gambler1981]

I didn't think he would fold on his first test, his first test for me was against Bermane and he passed that test, maybe am overrating Wilder, if 10 years at 32 years old is succes to you then cool, to me its not.

He should be the man at HW IMHO not just now but from like 2/3 years ago. Hence why i didn't think his team enough for his profile.

I think you are being pretty unfair, and making a mountain out of a molehill. It is weird you are like over rating him to downplay him, it is totally bizarre way to look at Wilder or any boxer.

There really weren't that many spots for his team to push him, with the Fury Wlad thing taking forever then the rematch ordeal, injury, the Povetkin saga. There was really nothing that could have been forced there were no windows for fighting Fury, very small for Wlad and Parker went the Joshua route.

You were demanding for Wilder to make something of that mess but he was pretty much on the outside looking in and his best opportunities to advance were taken from him by Povetkin popping and Fury blowing off boxing.

He played the hands he was dealt and is in great position, so I fail to see how he has been unsuccessful. Unsuccessful would look like not being where he is now it would have meant failing tests and having real set backs, Wilder has been constantly moving forward and upward.

[Laligalaliga]

Joshua said I want all the belts I will spark wilder what a joke it's as plain as the nose on my face he wants no part of wilder the fight will never happen

you are always quick to quote AJ but ones it comes to wilder you claim deaf and dumb.
Can you quote wilder as well to show you know exactly what you are saying?

[Laligalaliga]

Pretty much no one thought he would be anything his career went the way it has because he needed to develop. You are being very revisionist because a lot of things really only went the way they could go rather than some pie in the sky view, Wilder has done very well for himself.

Most people thought he would fold at the first sign of trouble, did he? Most people thought he would not even get past guys like Scott due to how his style looks. Are you denying these things were the prevailing opinions on Wilder for like his whole career? Because I have followed him the whole way, the way you are talking is like you are judging based on the last 2 years rather than the whole picture

So why is he still earning average of 1.5mil and has sold zero ppv?

[Holler]

At 32 i dont consider his career succesful so far, Unless the Fury fight is happening in amercia then i doubt either fighter makes 5m dollars from it.

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Can you see Fury going to the US, risking his lineal status on Vegas judges and whatever else for $5m when he'd hope to see 3 or 4 times that for a Wembley showdown with Joshua? I can't.

Parker/Wilder should have happen then not now after losing his belt. This are some of the steps his team should have taken in his career. They stagnate Wilder's career and that is the biggest frustration so far

Agreed. They could've come into the fight as a fellow unified champion if they could've made that fight.

[aobura]

"Wilder (40-0), who is from Tuscaloosa, Ala., has never had a fight outside the United States, Mexico or Puerto Rico." Where did Wilder fight Audley Harrison?

[Laligalaliga]

There's no other payday even remotely close to this for Deontay. That green belt is a pretty sweet bargaining chip, but he's crazy if he lets Joshua have more fights and time to develop.

wilder himself is not so confident about the fight. if not he would have agreed the fight and become the undisputed champ.

[Scopedog]

Honestly while Wilder is quite a long way behind Joshua in terms of clout, he's the one with more career momentum as of this moment. He's just come off a really exciting win over a top guy that nobody else was interested in fighting and knocked him out, and prior to that he had that really photogenic one-round destruction of Stiverne, who, despite the fact that we all know he didn't belong in there, was a former champion. Joshua did grab another title from a well-known and credible opponent in his last fight, but he went the distance and it was a pretty scrappy and dull fight that didn't live up to its PPV billing. Against Takam, a last-minute standin who, despite being a credible opponent to those in the know, was a pretty unknown quantity to casuals. As it was it was another fairly ugly performance with Joshua struggling in parts, ending with a disappointing stoppage that drew boos from the crowd. Obviously the memory of that great Klitschko fight is still there but more drab performances will start to fade that and stall his career. While he holds the high hand over Wilder in terms of overall popularity and financial power, in terms of recent performances Wilder clearly holds the advantage, which casts Joshua / Hearn's obvious reluctance to make the fight in a really bad light, hemming and hawing and attempting to price the other party out of negotiations just looks like you're scared when the opponent has been looking like a monster in recent fights.

The advantage that he does have is that he can quell those fears. I think that Povetkin fight is a one-sided matchup, but the fact remains that Povetkin has held a belt and is a known quantity the world over. Knock him out spectacularly and the recent crap fights will be instantly forgotten. Meanwhile, Wilder has Breazele on the table. Breazele is decent enough but not well known, plus he's tough, meaning that it'd be tough to score a spectacular KO. Wilder could enhance his rep by finishing him faster than Joshua did, but he doesn't stand as much to gain as Joshua does against Povetkin. Then if negotiations resume after both fights, assuming both win, Joshua's side gets to negotiate from a position of renewed strength.

Honestly typing all that made me want to throw up in my own mouth, the promoter mentality is barely even human.

[5000boxing]

Without Wilder, Joshuas future will be known as the greatest HYPE JOB in UK history! He won't be worthy to shine Lennox Lewis' shoes or even wash his dreadlocks!.....A Juicin' J will continue to hold gullible UK zombies in "muscle hero trance" - dedicated to watching his many more "risk free" fights - which will also be funded & sustained for Hearn by the gullible zombies!......Next up!?? 39yr old PAST PRIME Belly Fat PEDveton in mid September!!!!

Man.. I totally agree.. " A restraining order juiceshua" is nothing but a blown up kell brook.. if he fights fat pedvedtkin, he probably still loses! Lol.

[5000boxing]

Honestly while Wilder is quite a long way behind Joshua in terms of clout, he's the one with more career momentum as of this moment. He's just come off a really exciting win over a top guy that nobody else was interested in fighting and knocked him out, and prior to that he had that really photogenic one-round destruction of Stiverne, who, despite the fact that we all know he didn't belong in there, was a former champion. Joshua did grab another title from a well-known and credible opponent in his last fight, but he went the distance and it was a pretty scrappy and dull fight that didn't live up to its PPV billing. Against Takam, a last-minute standin who, despite being a credible opponent to those in the know, was a pretty unknown quantity to casuals. As it was it was another fairly ugly performance with Joshua struggling in parts, ending with a disappointing stoppage that drew boos from the crowd. Obviously the memory of that great Klitschko fight is still there but more drab performances will start to fade that and stall his career. While he holds the high hand over Wilder in terms of overall popularity and financial power, in terms of recent performances Wilder clearly holds the advantage, which casts Joshua / Hearn's obvious reluctance to make the fight in a really bad light, hemming and hawing and attempting to price the other party out of negotiations just looks like you're scared when the opponent has been looking like a monster in recent fights.

The advantage that he does have is that he can quell those fears. I think that Povetkin fight is a one-sided matchup, but the fact remains that Povetkin has held a belt and is a known quantity the world over. Knock him out spectacularly and the recent crap fights will be instantly forgotten. Meanwhile, Wilder has Breazele on the table. Breazele is decent enough but not well known, plus he's tough, meaning that it'd be tough to score a spectacular KO. Wilder could enhance his rep by finishing him faster than Joshua did, but he doesn't stand as much to gain as Joshua does against Povetkin. Then if negotiations resume after both fights, assuming both win, Joshua's side gets to negotiate from a position of renewed strength.

Honestly typing all that made me want to throw up in my own mouth, the promoter mentality is barely even human.

Very honest and fair observation. I AGREE