Comments Thread For: Golovkin, Hopkins, Monzon: The Record at Middleweight

[Removed Now]

Taylor had it all man and had one of the best jabs in the game if not the best at the time, but like you said if he learned how to clinch he could have been great.

Stuff like that gets me mad. I was shaking my head during that froch fight. I know that had to touch his soul. MF winning the whole fight then gets knocked out. I couldn't believe that, like it was a movie. If I was the ref I would be like WTF are u doing. Smdh still to this day. Just wow! Just wow. I bet froch will be voted in and Jermain wouldn't . King author maybe?

[markther]

" they " did not have 20 " defences "..... Hopkins did

Golovkin is on around about 9

The upcoming title defense fight for GGG is number 20. He won the interim WBA middleweight title in 2010. Picked up the IBO title along the way in 2011. Then picked up the WBC in 2014. Picked up a WBA Super middleweight title in 2014 also. Went on to pick up the IBF title in 2015. If you count all the fights at middleweight leading up to this one from when he won his first belt at middleweight, GGG always held at least 1 middleweight belt that he defended 19 straight times. This fight is the 20th title defense. So we know you can’t count either or maybe you can’t read.

[aboutfkntime]

The upcoming title defense fight for GGG is number 20. He won the interim WBA middleweight title in 2010. Picked up the IBO title along the way in 2011. Then picked up the WBC in 2014. Picked up a WBA Super middleweight title in 2014 also. Went on to pick up the IBF title in 2015. If you count all the fights at middleweight leading up to this one from when he won his first belt at middleweight, GGG always held at least 1 middleweight belt that he defended 19 straight times. This fight is the 20th title defense. So we know you can’t count either or maybe you can’t read.

nah

you are just one of the silly casual-fans who love Golovkin sooooo much that you are willing to embarrass yourself

how can the WBA have three " champions " all making title defences at the same time?

smarten up..... the justification for the WBA having three champions is greed, not ******ity

[kafkod]

So Golovkin is now the paper titlist and Murata is the WBA champ?
Stop your bull**** man it's embarrassing. Golovkin wasn't the WBA champion, these aren't casuals you can fool on this forum.

FACT: Sturm and Geale were BOTH ranked higher than Golovkin

FACT: your opinion, does not justify world-title defences..... and nor does anyone else's opinion..... Golovkin was not even the #1 contender to Sturm, Geale was

stick your.... " close enough "..... up your silly fanboy ass

grow up, and stop expecting REAL fans to support the lowering of standards within boxing..... for Golovkin

how the fk can the WBA have three " champions " you muppet?

that is a result of greed and ******ity..... trust you to be on board waving your pom-pom's

you NEVER support what is best for boxing, only what is best for your "fave" lol

neither Golovkin, nor his fans, have any REAL respect for the sport

There can't be 3 champions at the same time. But according to the WBA, there are 3 champions at the same time.

So how are we, as fans, supposed to react to that? Do we allow the WBA to dictate to us, for their own corrupt purposes, which champ is the real champ, by changing the rules and writing the word "super" after of one guy's name and "regular" after another guy's, at their website?

Or do we look at the records of all 3 WBA champions, note what they did in their careers in order for them to be holding whatever title they have - and how the WBA reacted to what they did - then decide for ourselves who is the real champ and who is the paper champ?

So is Murata the real WBA champion?

Mmmm .... let me have a think about this ...

Was Murata No1 contender for the regular title when it was held by GGG, and there was no super champion?

Was he in that No1 postion for 2 years, waiting for the WBA to order GGG to fight him, and them not doing it?

Did Murata then win the interim title, making him GGG's mando, and demand a fight with Golovkin?

Did the WBA react to that by telling Murata, "Sorry, but you don't get to fight Golovkin, because we just elevated him to super champion, and you were only mando for the regular title. But hey .. congratulations, you are now our regular champion!"

Has Murata been asking for a chance to fight GGG for the super title ever since that happened, and have the WBA been ignoring him, and allowing GGG to fight whoever likes?

If the answer to all of those questions is YES, then I would say that Murata is the real WBA champion, and GGG is a paper champion.

[DreamFighter]

Well, that's the thing though isn't it. It kinda depends on whether you consider the 'regular' title a 'world title' or not

its never the world title. the world title IS the world title, choice doesnt come into it.

Its not a hat you an choose to put on one day and then not tomorrow.

[DreamFighter]

Bye bye, troll.

becasue you cant reply, poor show.

[DreamFighter]

The upcoming title defense fight for GGG is number 20..

he won the title in 2014 by promotion, his first recognised title.

he has 8 or 9.

[Citizen Koba]

its never the world title. the world title IS the world title, choice doesnt come into it.

Its not a hat you an choose to put on one day and then not tomorrow.

You sure? Well then, the answer is clear for you then. The actual 'world title' passed from Sturm to Golovkin in 2010 then, whereas Sturm got a made up 'super' trinket as a reward for not fighting his mando.

You still quite sure it's that clear cut?

[DreamFighter]

You sure? Well then, the answer is clear for you then. The actual 'world title' passed from Sturm to Golovkin in 2010 then, whereas Sturm got a made up 'super' trinket as a reward for not fighting his mando.

You still quite sure it's that clear cut?

wiki clearly states he was upgraded before the Geale fight so I'm not sure how clear you need that to be.

"passed to"

yeh sure thats how a title is won. by lying.

[Citizen Koba]

wiki clearly states he was upgraded before the Geale fight so I'm not sure how clear you need that to be.

"passed to"

yeh sure thats how a title is won. by lying.

Yeah, you're right of course. If we're tracing the WBA World Championship Golovkin lost it in 2014 when he was elevated. Since then we've had three champions, Jacobs, NDNJ and Murata....


OK. I'm playing with you to make a point, but the question remains - the WBA treated both titles as being legitimate and carrying the relevant mandatory responsibilities. In fact the World title carries more obligations than the 'super' so can we really say it's less legitimate?

You contended that 'there is only one title' - yeah, sure, but which one is it? Because of the situation created by the WBA elevating Sturm instead of stripping him the answer really ain't as clear cut as your making it.

It's OK, I can see (and make if necessary) an argument for either case, but I rather like the compromise of treating the Super as the 'real' title up to the point at which their ceased to be a Super champion and then reverting to the incumbent World champion by default.

If you don't agree though, that's fine too. This is really some angels on pinheads sort of crap. What we can probably both agree on is that Golovkin ain't on the verge of breaking B'Hops defense record.