Comments Thread For: Golovkin, Hopkins, Monzon: The Record at Middleweight

[Robbie Barrett]

Boxing fans cry about too many titles, but support an org altering their rules to introduce a new "super" title and having 2 world titles instead of one - when it suits them.

Golovkin was No1 contender for the universally recognised WBA title for 2 years. And he won the interim title, which entitled him to a shot at the universally recognised WBA world title.

But instead of giving him the shot he earned, the WBA changed their rules, conjoured a new "super" title out of nowhere, and told GGG he was now the "regular" champion.

It later came out that they had been bribed to do that by Felix Sturm and his promoter.

Imagine the outcry there would have been here if the WBA had created a new super duper title, and had GGG fight Daniel Geale for it, instead of telling him to defend his super title against Jacobs!

The WBA Super title was around long before then. Problem with you Golovkin fans you think boxing started with him.

[kafkod]

The WBA Super title was around long before then. Problem with you Golovkin fans you think boxing started with him.

That was a different version of the super title, awarded only to WBA champions who also held a belt with another org.

That version of the WBA super title ceased to exist in 2006.

[Robbie Barrett]

That was a different version of the super title, awarded only to WBA champions who also held a belt with another org.

That version of the WBA super title ceased to exist in 2006.

It's the same title. You making up your own titles now? FFS this is pathetic.

So Golovkin now owns this fake title and Murata is champ?

Can't have it both ways Golovturd.

[kafkod]

It's the same title. You making up your own titles now? FFS this is pathetic.

So Golovkin now owns this fake title and Murata is champ?

Can't have it both ways Golovturd.

No, it's a different version, because you don't need to be a unified champion to hold it.

That's not really relevant doe, just alphabet org bullshit, as you said. All that matters is that GGG has been a world MW champion since 2010, and he has 19 successful defences on his record, and there isn't a damned thing that a maggot like you can do about it.

[Robbie Barrett]

No, it's a different version, because you don't need to be a unified champion to hold it.

That's not really relevant doe, just alphabet org bullshit, as you said. All that matters is that GGG has been a world MW champion since 2010, and he has 19 successful defences on his record, and there isn't a damned thing that a maggot like you can do about it.

You can't have it both ways. Either Murata is the champ or not. If he isn't neither was Golovkin. You can't flip flop stance to suit your love for Golovkin.

[DreamFighter]

Your the undisputed dummy, that’s all you are. Your argument doesn’t make sense; it’s a theory job made up in your little dumb ass mind. GGG “on record” not what you “think” has held a title in the middleweight division since he won the 1st won in 2010. And he has successfully defended at least one title continuously up until now his 20th title defense. No one gives a damn what you think of how he got there

sadly for you, everyone gives a damn what it says on wiki.
2014, not 2010, case closed.

i can exactly why you get so upset over a case you cant win.

[DreamFighter]

Yeah, you're right of course. If we're tracing the WBA World Championship Golovkin lost it in 2014 when he was elevated. Since then we've had three champions, Jacobs, NDNJ and Murata....


OK. I'm playing with you to make a point, but the question remains - the WBA treated both titles as being legitimate and carrying the relevant mandatory responsibilities. In fact the World title carries more obligations than the 'super' so can we really say it's less legitimate?

You contended that 'there is only one title' - yeah, sure, but which one is it? Because of the situation created by the WBA elevating Sturm instead of stripping him the answer really ain't as clear cut as your making it.

It's OK, I can see (and make if necessary) an argument for either case, but I rather like the compromise of treating the Super as the 'real' title up to the point at which their ceased to be a Super champion and then reverting to the incumbent World champion by default.

If you don't agree though, that's fine too. This is really some angels on pinheads sort of crap. What we can probably both agree on is that Golovkin ain't on the verge of breaking B'Hops defense record.

good post, but its not about what i agree, my opinion is worth diddly. sturms belt was THE belt. which means GGG's wasnt, until he won sturms old belt that geale had dumped (by promo in 2014)

[markther]

sadly for you, everyone gives a damn what it says on wiki.
2014, not 2010, case closed.

i can exactly why you get so upset over a case you cant win.

Wait, you go by Wiki-LOL..you are a real loser and dummy....it’s 2010, you need to start looking up stuff on a more reputable source, especially boxing..here is one to help your pathetic ass out www.boxrec.com

Undisputed Dummy for sure-lol

[soul_survivor]

you really don't know ???

the WBA have three " champions " lol

FACT: you cannot have three (or two) WBA "champions" making simultaneous defences..... obviously

Golovkin was not the genuine champion..... just like Ryota Murata is not the genuine WBA champion now

Golovkin's " defences " were about as legit as Ryota Murata's defences are now

saying " close enough "..... is a disgusting drop in standards..... is disrespectful to the sport..... and is disrespectful to all of the fighters who did not receive a whopping gilt-edged free-pass

only ****head casual-fans would support that rubbish, which is why we would like to see them all exterminated

I remember you, you're the idiot who tried this whole "I know so much about boxing" then ran away when I educated your ******ed brain.

The WBA having multiple champions is not GGGs fault. In fact, it is a fairly new addition to the wba.

The super champion was Sturm who refused to fight outside of Germany and flat out refused to fight GGG for years. Macklin beat him according to most and GGG beat Macklin.

GGG's defences of his world title are just as valid as Hopkins IBF title, which was inferior to the WBA/WBC belts in those days. If you count those, you count this.

[soul_survivor]

The WBA also ranked a DEAD boxer. In fact he moved UP the rankings AFTER he was dead....

Oh...ok..so you are discounting all WBA champions, through all history, at every weight?