Comments Thread For: Golovkin, Hopkins, Monzon: The Record at Middleweight

[TonyGe]

This title defense is just bragging rights. It really doesn't matter if Hopkins record is beaten or tied. I'm a big fan of Golovkin but how can anyone not admire what Hopkins has done. Started boxing very late and continued to an advanced age. He completely turned his life around from a troubled beginning. I have some reservations about his boxing style but his life story and his post boxing career are amazing.

[kafkod]

Here is the specific argument GGG is making, his 20 title defense opponents vs Hopkins 20 title defense opponents. Who fought the stronger opponents out of the 20 defenses. GGG is just referring to the fighters during both of their 20 title defense run. Here they are to help you out and stay on TOPIC...

GGG:
Vanes Martirosyan (upcoming)
Saul Alvarez (draw)
Daniel Jacobs
Kell Brook
Dominic Wade
David Lemieux
Willie Monroe Jr
Martin Murray
Marco Antonio Rubio
Daniel Geale
Osumanu Adama
Curtis Stevens
Matthew Macklin
Nobuhiro Ishida
Gabriel Rosado
Grzegorz Proksa
Makoto Fuchigami
Lajuan Simon
Kassim Ouma
Nilson Julio Tapia


Hopkins:
Howard Eastman
Oscar De La Hoya
Robert Allen (3)
William Joppy
Morrade Hakkar
Carl Daniels
Felix Trinidad
Keith Holmes
Antwun Echols (2)
Syd Vanderpool
Antwun Echols (1)
Robert Allen (2)
Robert Allen (1) (no-contest)
Simon Brown
Andrew Council
Glen Johnson
John David Jackson
William Bo James
Joe Lipsey
Steve Frank

Given that the 2 best fighters BHop fought during that run were both WWs, who he fought at catchweights, I would say that GGG's list is stronger.

Note: To me, it makes no sense to say that Oscar and Trinidad were better opponents at middleweight, than any of GGG defences, just because BHop drained himself to fight them.

No doubt, the catchweights made the fights tougher for BHop, but that doesn't make Oscar and Trinidad better middleweights than, eg Danny Jacobs and Canelo.

[kafkod]

Golovkin is a better boxer than Mugabi. But Hagler was past it by 1986.

Yeah, fighters peaking and declining at different ages does add another layer of difficulty to discussions like this.

I think Mike Tyson destroying what would have been his peak years with booze, coke, and slack training affected his legacy, and the way he is viewed today, in a very negative way.

[Shadoww702]

what's the problem with people discounting GGGs 19 defences? They are for his WBA title, which is one of the 4 major recognised titles.

I personally don't think some of those defenced were up to scratch but if the same is not applied to the other title holders then it should not be applied to GGG.

The WBA also ranked a DEAD boxer. In fact he moved UP the rankings AFTER he was dead....

[kafkod]

BWAHAHHAAH. You are funny.

Hagler and Hop would both mop the floor with GGG.

Hagler had all the tools to beat Hop. Not sure he had the smarts though.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I think they would all be tough, competitive fights.

[Shadoww702]

Given that the 2 best fighters BHop fought during that run were both WWs, who he fought at catchweights, I would say that GGG's list is stronger.

Note: To me, it makes no sense to say that Oscar and Trinidad were better opponents at middleweight, than any of GGG defences, just because BHop drained himself to fight them.

No doubt, the catchweights made the fights tougher for BHop, but that doesn't make Oscar and Trinidad better middleweights than, eg Danny Jacobs and Canelo.

Give it a rest. Everyone is laughing AT you not with you! You keep making yourself look more and more like a clown who dont know SHT about boxing. Have fun ranking Vanes top 10 greatest MW of ALL time...

[kafkod]

The WBA also ranked a DEAD boxer. In fact he moved UP the rankings AFTER he was dead....

Who was that .. Stiverne?

Honest to God, I think that guy is a zombie, a dead man brought back to life - kind of - by a Haitian witchdoctor.

[Shadoww702]

I would take Oscar and Trinidad even at S. WW to beat everyone on GGG resume.

[Shadoww702]

Who was that .. Stiverne?

Honest to God, I think that guy is a zombie, a dead man brought back to life - kind of - by a Haitian witchdoctor.

Nahh it was Vanes who they had to drag out of a retirement home. Because GGG is a DUCKER!

[aboutfkntime]

]This whole article is an excuse to say GGG's title defenses are legit[/B] and he does have 19 defenses. The article comes to this conclusion by brushing over the only fact that matters and that is several of GGG's defenses are interim defenses when the WBA's true champion was Sturm.

The author of the article excuses this by saying that because some fighters avoided GGG then his number of defenses are 19. I wonder what this author has to say now that it is GGG avoided and ducking contenders.

BTW Martinez did not avoid or duck GGG. Martinez was already on his way out and in his late 30's when GGG started to become a force at MW.

Rold justified it this way.....

" Golovkin would have defended something 20 times and that would be good enough "

defending " something "...... is simply not good enough, not sure what Rold was thinking there