Let me give you an idea on how great Roy Jones Jr really was

[IronDanHamza]

Read my last sentence to you and move on.

Jones 》Charles at lhw and you haven't changed my mind.

Ok that's fine but I'm just letting you know that you are wrong by saying that Charles' run at HW is better than his run at LHW.

It's not.

[IronDanHamza]

This is an interesting read for anyone who wants to debate the subject.

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/the-10-greatest-light-heavyweights-of-all-time/11/

Charles is no.1 but Jones is no.2

If you look closely at the competitors that they faced at lhw, to me at least, Jones faced the vastly better competition.

Again, that may have been all on offer at the time but sometimes you have to look at fighters a guy beats in his prime to really rank him properly and Charles' opponents at lhw had an average of ten losses. All that really tells me is that he was a shark in a pool full of guppies. It doesn't tell me that he could have beaten prime Roy Jones. But I can safely say that Jones should have been able to beat a guy who lost to a guy with 22 losses while in his prime.

As you can see, Charles #1.

Charles will be #1 on most lists.

No way is Jones' competition at LHW better than Charles'.

[robertzimmerman]

Not that those weren't great wins but fighters of that era simply would get obliterated by more modern fighters.

Just my opinion.

The great fighters of the past could have fought in any era.

Obliterated?

By who?

Go and watch them and read up on them.

[robertzimmerman]

Not entirely true.

Jones didn't fight Benn, eubank or Collins. He didn't fight Darius either yet faced the guy he beat.

I don't but these fights couldn't be made. The Collins fight was genuinely there for the taking and Collins called him a duck to his face lol Jones couldn't respond.

Eventually Jones fought prime fighters in Tarver and Johnson and lost. He never recovered.

How many times have we discussed this now?

The fights could not be made.

You need to know what was happening behind the scenes at the time.

[robertzimmerman]

I get what you are saying, but I disagree and he's not even ranked in LHW all time by bo%rec when I started reviewing his record. Boxing is way different now. The fighters fought a lot more back then but if you take a close look at Charles' LHW record, it was made up of a lot of poor fighters and he had zero title fight wins as far as I can tell. That may have been a race thing at the time but still, it means something to win title fights.

He once lost to a LHW with 22 losses.

Can you ever imagine Jones losing to a guy with 22 losses?

That is my point I guess. No disrespect.

Different eras.

Charles had over 20 losses.

Roy would never have fought anyone with 22 losses, but he could never have fought anyone with over 100 fights either.

[robertzimmerman]

Roy didn't fight all the best throughout each weight class through his career.

Guys that he could have fought but didn't are McClellan, Benn, Calzaghe, Eubank, Julian Jackson, Michael Nunn and there are others.

He could not have fought all those guys.

[robertzimmerman]

Which ones? Calzaghe?

Calzaghe, Eubank, Liles, Dariusz and Hopkins.

Fights with Gerald and Benn were too hard to make, as Don King and Roy's advisors - The Levin's, had a deep distrust and dislike of each other. Also, Roy was signed up to HBO, and King's fighters fought primarily on Showtime.

He could have fought Nunn, but he dropped the belt to try and fight Douglas at HW.

Collins was dismissed in 97, and then by HBO in 99.

[robertzimmerman]

RJJ fought policemen and cab drivers, nothing to see here folks move on..

Thanks for sharing your great wisdom.

[robertzimmerman]

Hopkins didn't become a champion for another 2 years and hadn't faced anyone on the level of Roy Jones Jr. for another 7 years. Neither of them were in their prime, but no one here can say that Roy Jones Jr. beat anyone on the level of Canelo or GGG at 160, he didn't. That's the point I'm making. The point I made about Hopkins not being in his prime when he beat him says just that. If he had beat prime Hopkins a good 10 years later, you could say that yes he did indeed beat someone on the level of Canelo or GGG.



We'll never know. They fought nearly 20 years apart. If they would have met in the middle we'd have a real answer. Roy beat him in '93 and then Hopkins beat him in 2010. The real fight would have been right in the middle around 2001-2002.

We know. And so did Bernard. Which is why he turned down $6m in 2002, and demanded $10m. He then spent a year out of the ring before fighting Morrade Hakkar for $1.3m. He also said in 2008, that he could have moved to LHW 6 years earlier, but he didn't want to give up his advantages. So he could have fought at LHW in 2002, yet he wouldn't even fight Roy at a 168 C-W. Bernard was a scavenger, just like Joe Calzaghe.

[robertzimmerman]

was a great fighter but calzaghe was better.

We've established on numerous occasions that you don't know anything about Roy's career.

You didn't even witness his prime years.

Move along.