Let me give you an idea on how great Roy Jones Jr really was

[IronDanHamza]

If Roy had sparked out a chinny cruiserweight today then no doubt it would be taken as proof of his power. Especially a twitching on the floor for the whole 10 count type KO.

I know you know Charles career much better than me, but he has plenty of KO's over good and great opponents from MW to HW that suggest he could crack.

I wouldnt put Roy much ahead of Charles as a puncher.

Charles could definitely punch. He was just more known for his slick skills and technical ability.

Roy Jones was a lot more devastating and explosive.

That would be a fight for the ages.

[soul_survivor]

He suffered the curse of being too good, which makes your every opponent a bum and ppl call you one.

Not entirely true.

Jones didn't fight Benn, eubank or Collins. He didn't fight Darius either yet faced the guy he beat.

I don't but these fights couldn't be made. The Collins fight was genuinely there for the taking and Collins called him a duck to his face lol Jones couldn't respond.

Eventually Jones fought prime fighters in Tarver and Johnson and lost. He never recovered.

[IronDanHamza]

Totally wrong. He didn't even win a title at LHW that I know of. Nobody even ranks him based on those fights. It's the HW fights that he's remembered for really. His LHW run was made up of a bunch of losers really.

Woah. Are you serious?

You definitely need to do your research. No disrespect.

Ezzard Charles is universally considered to be the GOAT at LHW. Look it up.

His HW run was just icing on the cake for his career.

[Boxing Goat]

Woah. Are you serious?

You definitely need to do your research. No disrespect.

Ezzard Charles is universally considered to be the GOAT at LHW. Look it up.

His HW run was just icing on the cake for his career.

I get what you are saying, but I disagree and he's not even ranked in LHW all time by bo%rec when I started reviewing his record. Boxing is way different now. The fighters fought a lot more back then but if you take a close look at Charles' LHW record, it was made up of a lot of poor fighters and he had zero title fight wins as far as I can tell. That may have been a race thing at the time but still, it means something to win title fights.

He once lost to a LHW with 22 losses.

Can you ever imagine Jones losing to a guy with 22 losses?

That is my point I guess. No disrespect.

[Pac=Duran]

Imagine if Jermall Charlo did the following:

Beat GGG, Lemieux and Canelo at 160

Beat Ramirez, DeGale, Smith, Groves and all other major players at 168

Beat Kovalev, Ward, Beterbiev, Gvod, Stevenson and whomever else it takes to unify 175.

Goes to HW and beats someone like Joseph Parker or Stiverne for the title

Goes back to 175 and beats Edwin Rodriguez...

Oh yeah and somewhere amongst doing the above accomplishments, he plays a full professional basketball game the day of kicking someone's ass on fight night... Did I mention he must never come close to losing either?

People really don't realize why and how RJJ is the GOAT

Roy didn't fight all the best throughout each weight class through his career.

Guys that he could have fought but didn't are McClellan, Benn, Calzaghe, Eubank, Julian Jackson, Michael Nunn and there are others.

[Boxing Goat]

Roy didn't fight all the best throughout each weight class through his career.

Guys that he could have fought but didn't are McClellan, Benn, Calzaghe, Eubank, Julian Jackson, Michael Nunn and there are others.

A lot of those fighters wanted no part of prime Jones and it's well documented

[Pac=Duran]

A lot of those fighters wanted no part of prime Jones and it's well documented

Which ones? Calzaghe?

[IronDanHamza]

I get what you are saying, but I disagree and he's not even ranked in LHW all time by bo%rec when I started reviewing his record. Boxing is way different now. The fighters fought a lot more back then but if you take a close look at Charles' LHW record, it was made up of a lot of poor fighters and he had zero title fight wins as far as I can tell. That may have been a race thing at the time but still, it means something to win title fights.

He once lost to a LHW with 22 losses.

Can you ever imagine Jones losing to a guy with 22 losses?

That is my point I guess. No disrespect.

I don't know about Boxrec but type in "top 10 Light Heavyweights of all time" in google and you can bet your last penny that Ezzard Charles will be #1 in most of those lists at very worst top 3.

He is universally considered to be the GOAT at that weight class. Like I said look it up.

He didn't win the title because of politics. His resume at LHW is FAR FAR FAR better than his resume at HW.

[Tom Cruise]

The main point i wanted to get across in here is to not get caught up in the whole 'he wasnt beaten in his prime, so he couldnt be beaten' thing.

Same happens with prime Mike Tyson.

Everyone can be beaten. If two unbeatable guys fight each other, one of them is going to lose. Roy is an ATG, but he didnt fight/ didnt have the opportunity to fight, anyone close to his level during his prime years and that has coloured peoples perspective of him as a fighter imo.

The whole 'no blueprint' thing. He hasnt been beaten so i cant see how he could ever be beaten. Great opponents have the knack of finding that blueprint at some point and if you fight them often enough

[BattlingNelson]

How many top ranked fighters did Jones beat after Toney?