How viable is the PBC model?

[killakali]

You honestly have almost 4,000 posts on a boxing forum and are trying to argue that the PBC sets the rules and not the commission? Or that the PBC can influence boxing rules?



I thought I seen it all on NSB

yup that guy is a complete moron

[killakali]

Yep. Seeing a couple guys suggesting Ward is destined to be with Haymon/PBC in 2017. I don't see it. The HBO first refusal is the first problem that will be highly underrated if Ward beats Kov. #2 is I'm still of the opinion that RNS and Haymon won't work together til they actually do work together.

There is no way HBO lets the Kov Ward winner, and even the loser get away. There is always a potential rematch plus that division is too important for them. Almost all of their promoters have at least one fighter in the division. Shabranskky is on the way up with GBP, Main Events still has Barrera in the mix, Pascal will still get a significant fight, maybe against one of them, plus Top Rank has the gold and bronze medalists in Egor Mehmetev or however you spell it and Gvodzyk plus at 168 you have guys like Zurdo Ramirez and Jesse Hart who could be moving up in the future. I think Jason Quigley is at this weight too.

[killakali]

Right. ..just coincidence... and as if commissions or the judges have no influence or "favors" from the networks that run it? This is boxing. ..

did you not watch Fonfara vs Cleverly last year at the same arena with the same commission put on by the same PBC LMAO. That was a great barnburner and Cleverly's face looked as bad as Ruslan Provodnikov in any of his fights? Did PBC forget to tell the commission to watch the safety of the fighters in that fight?? lmaooooooooooooo!

[Motorcity Cobra]

Yep. Seeing a couple guys suggesting Ward is destined to be with Haymon/PBC in 2017. I don't see it. The HBO first refusal is the first problem that will be highly underrated if Ward beats Kov. #2 is I'm still of the opinion that RNS and Haymon won't work together til they actually do work together.

Plus remember HBO will have right of first refusal to match any deal and we don't know what the deal encompasses for the winner of the Kovalev Ward fight. They may already be locked in passed this date.

They have the right of first refusal of his first fight after his last contracted fight on their network. They wouldn't even cough up the money for a fight against Barrera. He had to come out of his own pocket to make the fight happen. They won't even cough the money for a fight against Sharbanskky. He had to agree to fight Kovalev to get a contract. So if he beats Kovalev you really think they're going to cough up the money for a contract when there's no one else for him to fight? The other top LHW's are with PBC. If they won't cough up the money for a tune up with Sharbanskky what makes you think they'll cough up the money for a contract when his best options are Sharbanskky, Gonzalez, and Cleverly?

[Tago Nang Tago]

not viable at all, hence all the money that he's managed to blow away.

but in the end it won't matter for haymon, he'll move all his dudes back to showtime knowing damn well HBO is on a drought and are broke as fck.

if ratings remain low on showtime despite cornering the boxing market, haymon will leave boxing for good and venture into something else. boxing isnt profitable.

[killakali]

They have the right of first refusal of his first fight after his last contracted fight on their network. They wouldn't even cough up the money for a fight against Barrera. He had to come out of his own pocket to make the fight happen. They won't even cough the money for a fight against Sharbanskky. He had to agree to fight Kovalev to get a contract. So if he beats Kovalev you really think they're going to cough up the money for a contract when there's no one else for him to fight? The other top LHW's are with PBC. If they won't cough up the money for a tune up with Sharbanskky what makes you think they'll cough up the money for a contract when his best options are Sharbanskky, Gonzalez, and Cleverly?

That isn't HBO's problem.You must not know how contracts work. His minimum is what RNS signed him too. Cotto has the same issue. Ward made 2 mil for Barrera and Barrera got 600k. if Ward wins of course HBO will resign him. They have most of the 175s at HBO anyway and with PBC cutting back their budgets so much fighters like Thurman, Porter, Jacobs, etc are going back to Showtime and eating up the Showtime budget who says there is enough for Ward?

Plus Ward will likely be at least a part time PPV fighter with one fight a year on ppv.

After Kovalev, win or lose, Ward has Kovalev rematch, Pascal, shabranskky, Yuniesky Gonzalez, Cleverly, the two olympian gold and bronze medalists in Egor Mehmotev and Gvodzyk, plus the 168 pounders who could move up for big fights like WBO champion Gilberto Ramirez, Jesse Hart, Braehmer, etc

On the other side who does he have besides an old Stevenson? He already beat Edwin Rodriguez, he and dirrell already said they won't fight each other. Fonfara just got sparked out. Smith won but looks like hes about to get KO'd himself. Degale would be big if he doesn't lose before moving up but he looked pretty ordinary vs Porky Medina and arguably lost. So an old Adonis Stevenson would have to happen in next 12 months which is almost impossible or DeGale or Beterbiev are really all that are avaiable. Not that much different than HBO. Just HBO has more possibilities.

[brettWall]

It would become viable if wins lead to big things. Most of the fighters I've seen so far are almost as irrelevant as before.

[Motorcity Cobra]

That isn't HBO's problem.You must not know how contracts work. His minimum is what RNS signed him too. Cotto has the same issue. Ward made 2 mil for Barrera and Barrera got 600k. if Ward wins of course HBO will resign him. They have most of the 175s at HBO anyway and with PBC cutting back their budgets so much fighters like Thurman, Porter, Jacobs, etc are going back to Showtime and eating up the Showtime budget who says there is enough for Ward?

Plus Ward will likely be at least a part time PPV fighter with one fight a year on ppv.

After Kovalev, win or lose, Ward has Kovalev rematch, Pascal, shabranskky, Yuniesky Gonzalez, Cleverly, the two olympian gold and bronze medalists in Egor Mehmotev and Gvodzyk, plus the 168 pounders who could move up for big fights like WBO champion Gilberto Ramirez, Jesse Hart, Braehmer, etc

On the other side who does he have besides an old Stevenson? He already beat Edwin Rodriguez, he and dirrell already said they won't fight each other. Fonfara just got sparked out. Smith won but looks like hes about to get KO'd himself. Degale would be big if he doesn't lose before moving up but he looked pretty ordinary vs Porky Medina and arguably lost. So an old Adonis Stevenson would have to happen in next 12 months which is almost impossible or DeGale or Beterbiev are really all that are avaiable. Not that much different than HBO. Just HBO has more possibilities.

I explained to you how he paid for the Barrera fight out of his purse and tell me I don't know how minimums work? Ward did not make $2 mil, his minimum is $2mil. Ward made $1.85 mil and Barrera made $450k after originally being offered $300k. Remember Ward telling Barrera he isn't going to get rich off of him? $2 mil - $1.85 = $150k.....$300k + $150k = $450k Do you see where the extra money for Barrera came from?

After Kovalev, win or lose, Ward has Kovalev rematch, Pascal, shabranskky, Yuniesky Gonzalez, Cleverly, the two olympian gold and bronze medalists in Egor Mehmotev and Gvodzyk, plus the 168 pounders who could move up for big fights like WBO champion Gilberto Ramirez, Jesse Hart, Braehmer, etc

Those are all tune-up fights that HBO isn't paying for now! In order for those possible fights to even be possible those fighter have to gain more exposure. Where are they going to get the exposure? They aren't fighting on HBO and HBO has no dates set up for them. If they won't pay for the tune-ups to what makes you think they'll pay for them after the Kovalev fight which is on PPV and will probably do horribly? You're hoping against hope. I'm looking at their current actions.

Stevenson is about to retire. He probably has two fight left in him. On the PBC side you have Alvarez who's getting exposure fighting on TV. Beterbiev who's getting exposure fighting on TV. Fonfara who got exposure last night and is consistently fighting on TV. Now Joe Smith Jr who got exposure fighting on TV. Do you realize that more people now know Joe Smith Jr than Sharbanskky, Hart, Ramirez, & Gonzalez? You also have Williams who's about to fight Stevenson on TV. Nobody knows those fighters you're mentioning becaue HBO isn't showing them. And when they are on TV they're on poor selling PPV's (Zurdo) or Sharbanskky and Gonzalez who fought on HBO Latino which was broadcast tape delayed after the main event on regular HBO. Or Sharbanskky's last fight on Ring TV. Nobody knows these guys.

[killakali]

I explained to you how he paid for the Barrera fight out of his purse and tell me I don't know how minimums work? Ward did not make $2 mil, his minimum is $2mil. Ward made $1.85 mil and Barrera made $450k after originally being offered $300k. Remember Ward telling Barrera he isn't going to get rich off of him? $2 mil - $1.85 = $150k.....$300k + $150k = $450k Do you see where the extra money for Barrera came from?



Those are all tune-up fights that HBO isn't paying for now! In order for those possible fights to even be possible those fighter have to gain more exposure. Where are they going to get the exposure? They aren't fighting on HBO and HBO has no dates set up for them. If they won't pay for the tune-ups to what makes you think they'll pay for them after the Kovalev fight which is on PPV and will probably do horribly? You're hoping against hope. I'm looking at their current actions.

Stevenson is about to retire. He probably has two fight left in him. On the PBC side you have Alvarez who's getting exposure fighting on TV. Beterbiev who's getting exposure fighting on TV. Fonfara who got exposure last night and is consistently fighting on TV. Now Joe Smith Jr who got exposure fighting on TV. Do you realize that more people now know Joe Smith Jr than Sharbanskky, Hart, Ramirez, & Gonzalez? You also have Williams who's about to fight Stevenson on TV. Nobody knows those fighters you're mentioning becaue HBO isn't showing them. And when they are on TV they're on poor selling PPV's (Zurdo) or Sharbanskky and Gonzalez who fought on HBO Latino which was broadcast tape delayed after the main event on regular HBO. Or Sharbanskky's last fight on Ring TV. Nobody knows these guys.

you are wrong on a lot of your points. Barrera got 450k and his promoter got 150k. What you think his promoter promotes for free???

As for Joe Smith hes not a Haymon fighter or PBC. Hes with Star boxing and can go over and fight Andre Ward right now on HBO. lol.

You keep basing everything on HBO's 2016 budget when we are talking 2017 and beyond. Ward is getting two HBO fights AND a ppv fight this year. That is eating a lot out of the budget.

[Motorcity Cobra]

you are wrong on a lot of your points. Barrera got 450k and his promoter got 150k. What you think his promoter promotes for free???

As for Joe Smith hes not a Haymon fighter or PBC. Hes with Star boxing and can go over and fight Andre Ward right now on HBO. lol.

You keep basing everything on HBO's 2016 budget when we are talking 2017 and beyond. Ward is getting two HBO fights AND a ppv fight this year. That is eating a lot out of the budget.

Why would HBO pay for Joe Smith Jr but not a fighter on their network, Sharbanskky? You know who else are Star Boxers but not signed with Haymon? Andrade and Algieri. Where have they been fighting? PBC and Showtime.

What is Ward's second HBO fight? And the PPV fight doesn't come out the budget. They make money on PPV's.