How viable is the PBC model?

[Eff Pandas]

I think both sides of this discussion are being kinda silly and stretching logic to fit their own narrative of what they believe. I'm more in the middle with this and can still see it going either way in 2-3 years and if it gets past that point maybe having even a greater impact on boxing in the next 7-8 years potentially. But there isn't going to be a 100 million dollar deal or a going out of business sale til probably 2018, 2019.

[killakali]

What are you blabbing about? Do you honestly believe those stoppages from the cards wouldn't have more counts had they been on, with known refs, had it been HBO? It's not like they would've died nor anything like Ruslan vs Bradley. Watch Castillo vs Corrales and see if the ref would've acted the same.

each ref acts under his own discretion under the rules of each states athletic commission. PBC doesn't tell the ref or commission hey we want safety first so when in doubt stop the fights lol. These were probably the dumbest comments I have read on here.

Just like when Edwin Rodriguez and Seals were pummeling each other what did the refs forget it was PBC so they didn't stop it early enough or when that dude put Prichard Colon in a coma with the rabbit punches? Did the very unknown ref forget it was PBC like because it was PBC he should ref differently or when Peter Quillin put that Australian waiter in an ambulance to get rushed to the hospital?

The mismatches are part of what get guys hurt badly

[killakali]

Where do you work? Are you salary/hourly/self employed/ contractor?

where do you work? Are you salary/hourly/self employed/ independent contractor?

[killakali]

I think both sides of this discussion are being kinda silly and stretching logic to fit their own narrative of what they believe. I'm more in the middle with this and can still see it going either way in 2-3 years and if it gets past that point maybe having even a greater impact on boxing in the next 7-8 years potentially. But there isn't going to be a 100 million dollar deal or a going out of business sale til probably 2018, 2019.

if people look at it objectively they should see the differences from when the pbc started last year till now. First off the amount of shows has been greatly reduced. The purses have been greatly reduced. Before there was all this hashtage free boxing for all stuff on instagram twitter facebook etc and its all gone. Showtime went months at a time without a card and now they have a busy schedule.

The biggest fights are all on Showtime now. The few NBC and Spike cards we've had are more mid level to small purses. Fox had the Garcia Guerrero card and has the Wilder Arreola card although Arreola probably isn't knocking down 7 figures. Thurman Porter is on CBS but Haymon didn't put that on as a time buy, Showtime paid for it and chose to air it on CBS so it doesn't fit in with the NBC and Fox cards for comparison. BounceTV has all but disappeared.

I think PBC has already started to change and will be down to Fox, FS1, Spike by the end of the year and then Showtime which isn't really isnt the PBC model which was trying to be free boxing and minimize hbo, show, and eliminate ppv but now they are embracing those outlets.

Then next year the PBC will try to get one station (likely Fox and their subsidiary FS1) to buy their content and just stick with them and spike who already pays a license fee until their contract runs out.

With UFC moving over to ESPN soon there may be a decent chance they can get a deal with Fox. I don't know how much time they have remaining on their Spike deal.

I just think their roster is way too big for showtime, fox and fs1 which would be used with shobox for their up and coming fighters. They likelly would have to drop 30-50% of their roster to keep their fighters happy.

[killakali]

Andre Ward's last fight owed to HBO is the Kovalev fight in November, HBO is obviously tight with the money, Andre Ward's profile was largely built on Showtime, and Showtime has made it rather obvious that they are open to locking in options deal with promoters willing to do business (as was done with Banner Promotions, who, in bring over Ruslan Provodnikov, opened up the conversation for the rest of the fighters under their banner).

Espinoza will likely make sure that there's no issue between Haymon and Roc Nation (Jay Z/James Prince will sit down with Haymon/Espinoza and talk through whatever issues like grown men and businessmen), but I don't see how HBO matches a Floyd-type deal for Andre Ward (the money's going to be vastly different but a 10-fight, $15m downside guarantee with the lead share on the upside of any PPV fights isn't unreasonable); you add that Showtime could throw in some locked in TV dates for Roc Nation, and the deal could be too good to pass up for the entire company.

Showtime doesn't have unlimited funds either and with PBC already losing dates I don't see Al wanting to see Espinoza lose 5-6 mil in purses for 2 Andre Ward fights a year (his purse plus opponent) and possible dates for any other opponent.

The Banner deal was different. While Provo was an animal, he was beatable and his guys like Broner, Garcia etc would have been favored to beat him where as Ward would be favored to beat all his 68's and 75's like Quillin, the Dirells, Beterbiev, Adonis etc.

Plus remember HBO will have right of first refusal to match any deal and we don't know what the deal encompasses for the winner of the Kovalev Ward fight. They may already be locked in passed this date.

[bigdunny1]

what shows did they cancel? sorry but the guys being paid by gbp and hbo on twitter got those predictions wrong and of course some shows will have b and c level fighters thats a given

Are you serious? Go look at the press release for each announced network deal last year where they state how many show dates they bought and how often pbc would be airing for each show. Hell ESPN was announced as a monthly series with 12 shows a year for a total of 24 throughout its 2 year deal. pbc was suspended 8 months straight with show after show being canceled then they announced it would come back as a summer series only with 7 show dates planed and no programming the rest of the year. And you see the same trend for every other network. Less shows then the announced and paid for. And shows they aren't canceling are seeing less star power and are filled with haymon b and c level fighters.

Example last year's NBC father's day weekend fight featured broner vs porter with Spence on the undercard. This weekend was a weak card with fonfara headlining. You don't see a noticeable drop off? LMAO

[khal-d]

Right. ..just coincidence... and as if commissions or the judges have no influence or "favors" from the networks that run it? This is boxing. ..

You honestly have almost 4,000 posts on a boxing forum and are trying to argue that the PBC sets the rules and not the commission? Or that the PBC can influence boxing rules?



I thought I seen it all on NSB

[bigdunny1]

if people look at it objectively they should see the differences from when the pbc started last year till now. First off the amount of shows has been greatly reduced. The purses have been greatly reduced. Before there was all this hashtage free boxing for all stuff on instagram twitter facebook etc and its all gone. Showtime went months at a time without a card and now they have a busy schedule.

The biggest fights are all on Showtime now. The few NBC and Spike cards we've had are more mid level to small purses. Fox had the Garcia Guerrero card and has the Wilder Arreola card although Arreola probably isn't knocking down 7 figures. Thurman Porter is on CBS but Haymon didn't put that on as a time buy, Showtime paid for it and chose to air it on CBS so it doesn't fit in with the NBC and Fox cards for comparison. BounceTV has all but disappeared.

I think PBC has already started to change and will be down to Fox, FS1, Spike by the end of the year and then Showtime which isn't really isnt the PBC model which was trying to be free boxing and minimize hbo, show, and eliminate ppv but now they are embracing those outlets.

Then next year the PBC will try to get one station (likely Fox and their subsidiary FS1) to buy their content and just stick with them and spike who already pays a license fee until their contract runs out.

With UFC moving over to ESPN soon there may be a decent chance they can get a deal with Fox. I don't know how much time they have remaining on their Spike deal.

I just think their roster is way too big for showtime, fox and fs1 which would be used with shobox for their up and coming fighters. They likelly would have to drop 30-50% of their roster to keep their fighters happy.

Exactly got fools saying they getting a 100mil TV deal when they are canceling shows left and right and cutting purses just to remain in operation. Many of haymon top fighters are seeing long layoffs and are being inactive fighters and are now fighting on showtime or hbo for a reason, pbc is losing to much and has not been successful. The ratings have consistently fallen on all of the big networks, CBS canceled the entire PBC afternoon series they had last year and refused to air a single pbc card except for the one showtime just paid for and will produce NOT pbc. But people think CBS is giving pbc a TV deal?

Haymon fans have already moved the goal post back from pbc is taking over boxing to well at least it hasn't completely canceled while pbc is becoming FNF quality fights when they do air. That's how bad things are and how haymon has had to sacrafic the brand and quality just to keep this dumpster fire limping along. PBC airs mostly irrelevant fights these days as the better fights go straight to showtime. 1 1/2 years later if we taking stock today there is no other way to describe pbc as anything but a failure and I didn't even mention the fact that pbc own investors are suing them for losing their money.

[IMDAZED]

PBC has been near it's death since it first came out according to some posters. OP need not ask these questions. PBC should be dead by April. Or summer. Or December. Or next year. Or 2018. You just keep waiting for it.

[Eff Pandas]

Plus remember HBO will have right of first refusal to match any deal and we don't know what the deal encompasses for the winner of the Kovalev Ward fight. They may already be locked in passed this date.

Yep. Seeing a couple guys suggesting Ward is destined to be with Haymon/PBC in 2017. I don't see it. The HBO first refusal is the first problem that will be highly underrated if Ward beats Kov. #2 is I'm still of the opinion that RNS and Haymon won't work together til they actually do work together.