lets set the record straight on RJJ, who the **** did he dodge ?

[eazy_mas]

People think he should fight everybody Eubank, Benn and maybe they even want him to fight Tyson to consider himself No1 p4p but i think its not fair.

This is happening the same with Mayweather they wanna he clean a class but no boxer in world could clean the wieght class because many of the lower and middle wieght class boxers tend to change wieght class from time to time

[Superman RJJ]

Roy Jones Jr is one of the greatest fighters of all time have some respect people he didnt dodge anyone and fought what was out there he beat good good fighters such as Toney, Hopkins Mike McCallum etc

I always remember Don King after the Ruiz fight "Is it a bird is it a plane no It`s Superman Roy Jones Jr"

[Dude]

I can understand RJJ not going to Germany to fight DM.He could have been robbed on the scorecards if it went the distance or maybe even a bad stoppage.It just wasn't worth it imo.

Nah, that's bull****.

Truth is that the linear title never meant **** to Roy Jones. At this stage of his career he was happy makeing money against fighters who he perceived weren't too dangerous.

He already had a big, big fanbase and people went crazy over his athletic abilities and speed. Could you imagine what would've happened if Michaelczweski had knocked him out?

Jones himself wasn't sure that he would win this fights. That's the only reason he never really wanted it. If he ever really believed that he was the better fighter he surely would've and could've made the fight happen.

Jones thought that this fight was too risky.

And Michaelczewski had no reason to leave Germany. He was the linear champion and had big, big paydays in Germany. I doubt that he could've earned more in the USA.

If Jones had been willing to fight in Germany there surely would've been an internationally well respected referee and it would've been up to the sanctioning bodies to name the official scorers.

People just like to keep the illusion of Jones being an undestructable force at LH though he never really proved it. It was up to Roy to make this fight (amongst others) happen and he didn't. That's why I find it hard to respect him as much as a lot of ppl around here think he deserves.

[guru]

There was a time when Jones thinking about going to Germany to fight Michalczewski. Than Charles Brewer goes to Germany and gets his title ripped off by some clown named Sven Ottke (who also ripped of Byron Mitchell's title). After that Jones said **** Germany. And I don't blame him.

brewer didnt get ripped off, he lost a close decision and then lost again in the rematch.... calzaghe had no problem going into germany and defedning against veit... there have been more guys that went into germany and won then went to germany and got robbed...

[Easy-E]

brewer didnt get ripped off, he lost a close decision and then lost again in the rematch.... calzaghe had no problem going into germany and defedning against veit... there have been more guys that went into germany and won then went to germany and got robbed...

Ottke was handed about 10 wins in his hometown.

[Xcel]

all these post and stll no answer to the question.

[guru]

henry maske was a hero in germany, he was undefeated and had defended his title 10 straight times, but virgil hill went over there and won a contraversial split decision... there are a whole lot more fights where a visitor went into germany and won, then went there and got robbed...

[mECHsLAVE]

This isn't an Ottke situation, guys. Dariusz wasn't a prick like Ottke. The Americans that went over to fight Dariusz had American refs.

Griffin was stopped by Joe Cortez.

Hall was stopped by Rudy Battle the 2nd time and some other American ref the first time (from doc's recommendation IIRC).

Eddie Cotton ref'ed the Harmon bout.

Dariusz never pulled rank and tried to be a prick when we went over there to get his title. He said "Bring your own ref, no problem."

And he never got a gift decision his entire run in Germany that I know of.

So you guys can get off that conspiracy theory anytime now, thanks!

[K-DOGG]

It was a great post, subtracting from it the error about Michalczewski not being the linear champ. He absolutely was. He beat recognized already unified champion Hill in a unification bout. The winner, Dariusz, was the champ, unifying 3 major titles (WBA, IBF and WBO). The lineage began there. He was wrongfully stripped of two of the belts IMMEDIATELY by the WBA and the IBF (as in the same week he won them, yes). Sanctioning bodies playing dirty pool. As simple as that.

And this stuff about beating Hill "worse" so that meant he doesn't have to fight Dariusz is nonsense. Johnson beat Roy worse than Tarver, laying him out cold as a block of ice. So that means that Tarver's titles that he had just won from Roy should've gone to Johnson and that Johnson never had to fight Tarver, that he was better be default since he fought him right afterwards and beat him worse?

Incorrect facts and then incorrect logic.

But the rest of the post was pretty good. You're right about McCellan and Benn ruining each other and about Roy not having a glass chin.

You make good points; but I've never considered DM the linear champ because he would have had to beat Jones to be the unified champ and likewise.

Virgil Hll beat Frank Tate for the vacant WBA championship when Iran moved down to fight Toney....hence, Virgil's a paper champ.

Henry Maske was a paper titlist as well, though a longer reigning one, by beating Williams. So, when Virgil beat Maske, it definitely gave him a greater hold on the division; but it's still not "truly" lineal.

Here's what I mean by that. When Michael Spinks moved up to challenge Holmes for the heavyweight belt, he vacated his Light-Heavyweight crown.....which was never truly reunited. At least, that's the way I've always looked at it.

I have nothing but respect of Dariusz...he was a hell of a fighter and it's a damn shame he and Jones never got it on...I just don't see him as lineal and feel he could have made "the fight" as much as Roy could have.

Still, all in all, I do see your point concerning Hill beating Maske and Tiozzo before losing the DM.

[Moschino045]

henry maske was a hero in germany, he was undefeated and had defended his title 10 straight times, but virgil hill went over there and won a contraversial split decision... there are a whole lot more fights where a visitor went into germany and won, then went there and got robbed...

what about eubank beatin rocky ? biggest fight theres ever been in germany apparently, just becos it was eubank. with all the controversy at the press conferences etc & eubanks disrespect that was a perfect opportunity for a screwjob