lets set the record straight on RJJ, who the **** did he dodge ?

[ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY]

Eubank vs Rocky was the biggest fight in Germany??? Man, you cant be serious. Take it from someone who knows: MASKE-ROCKY 1 and 2 was like ALI-FRAZIER 1. HUGE fights.

[Moschino045]

Eubank vs Rocky was the biggest fight in Germany??? Man, you cant be serious. Take it from someone who knows: MASKE-ROCKY 1 and 2 was like ALI-FRAZIER 1. HUGE fights.

wel the promoter peter kohl said tickets sold quicker for eubank than any promotion he ever made. & the press conference was on live tv when eubank was wearin jodhpurs & english gentleman clothes & claimin everhwere he went in germany he had been racially discriminated etc i got the tape

[Dude]

Eubank vs Rocky was the biggest fight in Germany??? Man, you cant be serious. Take it from someone who knows: MASKE-ROCKY 1 and 2 was like ALI-FRAZIER 1. HUGE fights.

Well, I can conform that. Though Rocchigiani vs. Michalczewski I and II were very, very big fights for obvious reasons as well.

Actually every fight involving Henry Maske after he captured the title was bigger (attention wise) than everything else.

[Moschino045]

Well, I can conform that. Though Rocchigiani vs. Michalczewski I and II were very, very big fights for obvious reasons as well.

Actually every fight involving Henry Maske after he captured the title was bigger (attention wise) than everything else.

ur fans were disgraceful, spittin at eubank on his way 2 the ring & throwin coins at him etc. crazy. plus the racial chantin throughout the fight (that just spurred him on)

[Moschino045]

Id Like To Of Seen Rj Fight The Popular Graciano 'rocky' Rocchigiani. Rocchigiani Was The True Wbc Lightheavyweight Champion And Could Of Beaten Rj. Rocchigiani Was Tall, Left Handed, Had A Rough Inside Game And Would Of Frustrated Rj With The Right Tactics Of Tying Him Up And Out-hussling Him ......

He Was Stopped Prematurely Against Polish Dariusz Michalczewski, He Was Beating Dariusz From What I Remember And The Same Thing Happened In The Fight With Maske. Only Eubank Beat Him Convincingly But That Was More To Do With Rocchigiani Being Totally Intimidated By Eubank Early On And Freezing.

I Dont Think Eubank Could Beat Rj Because Rj Was Probably The Only Guy Who Wouldn't Of Been Intimidated By Eubanks Prescence. Watch When Eubank Turns His Back On Opponents And Poses, Absolutely None Of His Opponents Would Jump On Him They Would Just Stop. Rj Would Not Be Intimidated I Dont Think, His Confidence Was Probably Greater Than Eubanks.

rocky im not sure could of lived with rjj, same with darius m & steve collins. u need 2 be able 2 punch 2 have best chance with rjj- like benn & mclennan, & chris eubank when he needed. nunn i suppose showed flashes that he could punch, like kalambay fight obviously, but nunn was so tall, smart & slick as **** that he could of maybe got rjj on the cards ? i dont think benn or mclennan stood a chance in hell of beatin rjj on the cards, eubank stood the best chance apart from nunn of beatin rjj on points becos of his awkward style. rocky & collins certainly could not punch & darius m did'nt have onepunch ko power, so i rule them out.

i dont think u can 'out work' rjj either becos he was in such good shape ! so that rules out the likes of collins.

rjj never dodged any body (rocky would'bt go 2 america i assume), other than maybe nunn, but may of been ko'd by benn or mclennan or chris eubank. & may of been out pointed by nunn or possibly eubank. shame the fights did'nt happen, they would of been interestin

[Dude]

ur fans were disgraceful, spittin at eubank on his way 2 the ring & throwin coins at him etc. crazy. plus the racial chantin throughout the fight (that just spurred him on)

Well, he really asked for it, didn't he? The racial chanting (which were only a few idiots) was and is not excusable however and makes me feel ashamed. I'll apologize in the name of those who just don't know better.

But you have to remember that the fans in England aren't necessairly known for their aloofness either.

[mECHsLAVE]

You make good points; but I've never considered DM the linear champ because he would have had to beat Jones to be the unified champ and likewise.

Jones was moving up at the time, with maybe like 1 fight at 175 when DM unified the titles.

So when Roy moved to 175 there was a "man" at 175. DM was the man to beat, a unified champion and Roy was moving into his division. That's why I feel like the onus was more on Roy than on DM. Roy certainly made a claim at being the "man" with dominant performances against the best LHW's in the world. But when you don't fight the #1 undefeated linear champ after being begged for years and years to do so, then expect criticism for it. And for the record, once again, I think Roy would have won a UD against DM. I'm a huge Roy fan, but I'm very disappointed in him for not fighting DM. There's really no excuse for it, either. Like I said, DM was not Ottke. Roy could have gone there with a ref of his pick, and had at least 1 US judge to go with a German judge and then one last impartial latino judge or something. He didn't do it because he could get away without the fight and collect his HBO millions either way, avoiding what he knew would be his toughest fight. He took the easy road, avoiding that fight year after year.

[Easy-E]

This isn't an Ottke situation, guys. Dariusz wasn't a prick like Ottke. The Americans that went over to fight Dariusz had American refs.

Griffin was stopped by Joe Cortez.

Hall was stopped by Rudy Battle the 2nd time and some other American ref the first time (from doc's recommendation IIRC).

Eddie Cotton ref'ed the Harmon bout.

Dariusz never pulled rank and tried to be a prick when we went over there to get his title. He said "Bring your own ref, no problem."

And he never got a gift decision his entire run in Germany that I know of.

So you guys can get off that conspiracy theory anytime now, thanks!

Ref's are one thing, but judges are another. What really happend was Roy did'nt feel like leaving the US and Dariusz wasnt leaving Europe.

[K-DOGG]

Jones was moving up at the time, with maybe like 1 fight at 175 when DM unified the titles.

So when Roy moved to 175 there was a "man" at 175. DM was the man to beat, a unified champion and Roy was moving into his division. That's why I feel like the onus was more on Roy than on DM. Roy certainly made a claim at being the "man" with dominant performances against the best LHW's in the world. But when you don't fight the #1 undefeated linear champ after being begged for years and years to do so, then expect criticism for it. And for the record, once again, I think Roy would have won a UD against DM. I'm a huge Roy fan, but I'm very disappointed in him for not fighting DM. There's really no excuse for it, either. Like I said, DM was not Ottke. Roy could have gone there with a ref of his pick, and had at least 1 US judge to go with a German judge and then one last impartial latino judge or something. He didn't do it because he could get away without the fight and collect his HBO millions either way, avoiding what he knew would be his toughest fight. He took the easy road, avoiding that fight year after year.

Your argument is strong and I'll give you good karma for making such a strong case. Ether way, whoever's fault it was...it's a damn shame it never happened. Roy should have purued the fight,I agree. If you want to be recognized as the best...you got to go after it like Robinson and Ali and others did.

Good post.

[Orange Sneakers]

Eubank vs Rocky was the biggest fight in Germany??? Man, you cant be serious. Take it from someone who knows: MASKE-ROCKY 1 and 2 was like ALI-FRAZIER 1. HUGE fights.

I know Eubank/Rocchigiani was a very big fight in Germany,because all the Germans wanted to see Eubank knocked off his perch. But I also know the Rocchigiani fights with Maske and Michalczewski were very big fights too.

The Benn/Eubank fights though were far bigger than any Rocchigiani,Maske,Michalczewski or Jones junior fight could ever be. The Benn/Eubank rivalry was even greater than Alis and Fraziers rivalry.

Outside of Tyson fights maybe,no fights in the States came close to the size of Benn/Eubank here in England or even Rocchigiani/Maske and Rocchigiani/Michalczewksi in Europe. You can see why Eubank,Maske and Michalczewski didnt go to the States when they could make 10 times the money in their own country,and no American fighter outside of Tyson would get stopped in the street in America like Eubank would in England.