lets set the record straight on RJJ, who the **** did he dodge ?

[mECHsLAVE]

Your saying Roy ducked Dariusz for the exact same reason im saying Dariusz ducked roy. Roy wasnt leaving the us. Dariusz wasnt leaving germany.

Right. That's exactly right. I neve said some of the blame wasn't on Dariusz. He could have come over here as the linear champ and fought Griffin and Hall and those guys and if he won, he'd get his fight with Jones.

What I've said is that the onus lied more with Roy than with Dariusz. Why? Roy was the challenger and Dariusz was the champion. When Roy entered 175 there was a man to beat- it was Dariusz. If you want to be The Man, then I think you have to beat The Man. Not look great beating the man who used to the man, or the guys who want to be the man just like you. I'm talking about beating The Man, and that's what I (along with the entire boxing world) wanted Roy to do.

[mECHsLAVE]

Bull****. You got one example. I've seen the Sven Ottke, Dariusz vs Hall, and Luan Krasniqi FIASCOS. Don't bull**** me as if I don't know what I'm talking about.

Furthermore, it's not an excuse. Roy was ****d by foreign officials before, and it is QUITE understandable to anyone that with reason why Roy didn't want to fight Dariusz IN Germany.

What was wrong with Dariusz vs. Hall exactly? I've seen them as well. Hall was stopped by the doctor in the first fight because of his eye. He was stopped in the second fight by Ruday Battle after taking a bunch of hard shots and wobbling on his feet. Rudy asked him to mix it up or do something, Hall just kept taking shots and he stopped it. He stopped it on a break, that's the only reason it looked suspect. Hall could have continued and probably been KO'd, but the AMERICAN ref from NEW JERSEY felt he was done.

The other fights you're talking about Ottke vs. Reid/Mitchell and the Krasniqi long count- all happened much later. You're giving reasons for Roy to be afraid of going to Germany that didn't exist at the time. Hehe.

How about another that was during the time period we are talking about? Lewis-Holyfield 1. Thanks! The highest-profile robbery of a foreigner in another country ever, and one of the worst and most blatant. I understand it's hard for many people to think outside the box and multi-linearly, but try it for just a sec to see how certain things look from the OTHER side.

[Easy-E]

Right. That's exactly right. I neve said some of the blame wasn't on Dariusz. He could have come over here as the linear champ and fought Griffin and Hall and those guys and if he won, he'd get his fight with Jones.

What I've said is that the onus lied more with Roy than with Dariusz. Why? Roy was the challenger and Dariusz was the champion. When Roy entered 175 there was a man to beat- it was Dariusz. If you want to be The Man, then I think you have to beat The Man. Not look great beating the man who used to the man, or the guys who want to be the man just like you. I'm talking about beating The Man, and that's what I (along with the entire boxing world) wanted Roy to do.

At the same time thought, Roy had the:
WBC Light Heavyweight Title
IBF Light Heavyweight Title
WBA Light Heavyweight Title
IBO Light Heavyweight Title
WBF Light Heavyweight Title
IBA Light Heavyweight Title
NBA Light Heavyweight Title

while Dariusz had the WBO.

[Bozo_no no]

Right. That's exactly right. I neve said some of the blame wasn't on Dariusz. He could have come over here as the linear champ and fought Griffin and Hall and those guys and if he won, he'd get his fight with Jones.

What I've said is that the onus lied more with Roy than with Dariusz. Why? Roy was the challenger and Dariusz was the champion. When Roy entered 175 there was a man to beat- it was Dariusz. If you want to be The Man, then I think you have to beat The Man. Not look great beating the man who used to the man, or the guys who want to be the man just like you. I'm talking about beating The Man, and that's what I (along with the entire boxing world) wanted Roy to do.

We've had this conversation before, and like you always do, you humiliated yourslef.

Jones didn't need Darius, Darius needed Jones.

Darius got on a plane and sat ringside to see Jones destroy Hill, and never came back.

Look at where their careers went after that. Jones was universally recognized as the best fighter at 175 and in the sport as a whole. He moved up to Heavyweight and won a strap there, back down to 175 and regained his title.

He was one of the greatest fighters of his generation, and an assured hall of famer.

Darius sat hiding in Germany struggling with Roy's leftovers until one of them beat him.

You embarass yourself hugging Darius' nuts. He was a sheltered fighter who struggled with meidocre competition.

[mECHsLAVE]

At the same time thought, Roy had the:
WBC Light Heavyweight Title
IBF Light Heavyweight Title
WBA Light Heavyweight Title
IBO Light Heavyweight Title
WBF Light Heavyweight Title
IBA Light Heavyweight Title
NBA Light Heavyweight Title

while Dariusz had the WBO.

Did you read this thread? This was all covered before several times. Of the four major world titles, Dariusz held 3 of them, unifying his WBO with the WBA and IBF, which were previously unified by Hill when he beat undefeated, reigning champion Maske.

All of Roy's major titles were paper. The only one not stripped from Dariusz was the WBC. The odd belt which was not involved in the unification process with the reigning champions at 175. You somehow missed those 50 posts? Hehe. And please, what is with listing the NBA, IBA, IBO< etc etc etc.

[Moschino045]

At the same time thought, Roy had the:
WBC Light Heavyweight Title
IBF Light Heavyweight Title
WBA Light Heavyweight Title
IBO Light Heavyweight Title
WBF Light Heavyweight Title
IBA Light Heavyweight Title
NBA Light Heavyweight Title

while Dariusz had the WBO.

i thought rjj looked realy cool with all the belts, but then i worked out they were all paper belts becos he did'nt win them off any body. he was awarded the wbc belt, del valle for the wba, washed up reggie johnson for the ibf, & the likes of derrick harmon for other alphabet belts wotever they are. he did'nt dodged any body, rocky should of left germany as should darius m, & mike nunn i dont know about that. but his opposition was pretty poor after griffin & hill, u got 2 admit. calzaghe was 2 much of a threat for 2 little money cos he was'nt known in the us, & calzaghe should of went 2 the us 2 make himself more known if he wanted rjj that bad. i cant really think of any others he dodged, i suppose jirov could be brought up but rjj has never ****in fought at 190

[mECHsLAVE]

We've had this conversation before, and like you always do, you humiliated yourslef.

Jones didn't need Darius, Darius needed Jones.

Darius got on a plane and sat ringside to see Jones destroy Hill, and never came back.

Look at where their careers went after that. Jones was universally recognized as the best fighter at 175 and in the sport as a whole. He moved up to Heavyweight and won a strap there, back down to 175 and regained his title.

He was one of the greatest fighters of his generation, and an assured hall of famer.

Darius sat hiding in Germany struggling with Roy's leftovers until one of them beat him.

You embarass yourself hugging Darius' nuts. He was a sheltered fighter who struggled with meidocre competition.

Bozo, try reading this thread. You're clueless. You're like a child who walks in when the grown-ups are talking and starts yacking away with nonsense. You need a backhand, like when a pimp slaps a hoe who talks out of turn.

Dariusz was the unified, recognized 175 champion when Roy entered the division. The WBA and IBF belts were corruptly stripped from him outside the ring, immediately. He never lost through Roy's LHW campaign. Dariusz finally dropped a close decision at age 35, right about the time Roy got KO'd by a top-level journeyman named Glen Johnson.

I love Roy, and the only thing you said that was correct is about Roy being one of the best of his generation and a hall of famer. I was ringside at Tarver-Jones 3, yelling for Roy with all my might. I, unlike most here, followed this whole debacle the entire way through and know how Roy was begged and pressured to fight the champion and chose not to. He deserves criticism for that. Period. It's always shelacked onto Dariusz, but while he deserves a little, he shares it with Roy. Roy was the challenger at 175 and Dariusz was the champ. Period. EOD.

[Bozo_no no]

I, unlike most here, followed this whole debacle the entire way through and know how Roy was begged and pressured to fight the champion and chose not to. He deserves criticism for that. Period. It's always shelacked onto Dariusz, but while he deserves a little, he shares it with Roy. Roy was the challenger at 175 and Dariusz was the champ. Period. EOD.

You're an ignorant twat who does nothing but ***** and moan without saying anything.

The onus was on Darius to make the fight because Roy was the proven and better fighter. You go on and on bitching about how it was Roy that Ducked Darius and that the onus was on him. Bull ****.

Everyone knows who the best Light Heavyweight was when Roy was on top. He was rated at #1 by every credible organization.

Darius had every reason to come the US to make that fight, and choose to waste his career in his own backyard struggling with Roy's leftovers.

When all is said and done, Roy was the better fighter at Light Heavyweight, had the better career, and was universally acknowledged as the better fighter.

All you need to do is look at Jones' fights agaisnt Richard Hall and Julio Gonzalez who he toyed with, and the outright struggle they both turned around and gave to Darius.

There's a reason Michalczewski never returned to the US after seeing what Roy did to Hill.

Regardless of how much you ***** and moan about all these people that supposedly begged Roy to go to Germany (something you can't even begin to ground with any kind of facts) the bottom line is that Daruis' career and legacy suffered for ducking the Jones fight. Not the other way around.

Common sense dictates who truly had no interest in fighting who.

[Super_Lightweight]

What was wrong with Dariusz vs. Hall exactly? I've seen them as well. Hall was stopped by the doctor in the first fight because of his eye. He was stopped in the second fight by Ruday Battle after taking a bunch of hard shots and wobbling on his feet. Rudy asked him to mix it up or do something, Hall just kept taking shots and he stopped it. He stopped it on a break, that's the only reason it looked suspect. Hall could have continued and probably been KO'd, but the AMERICAN ref from NEW JERSEY felt he was done.

The other fights you're talking about Ottke vs. Reid/Mitchell and the Krasniqi long count- all happened much later. You're giving reasons for Roy to be afraid of going to Germany that didn't exist at the time. Hehe.

How about another that was during the time period we are talking about? Lewis-Holyfield 1. Thanks! The highest-profile robbery of a foreigner in another country ever, and one of the worst and most blatant. I understand it's hard for many people to think outside the box and multi-linearly, but try it for just a sec to see how certain things look from the OTHER side.

The Hall fight was a joke. Dariusz was equally hurt and Battle let em go at one point. People are paid off in boxing, and while there is no physical proof of such, the stoppage was bad, period. Whether he was corrupted by the Germans or not, it was ******. Dariusz could've easly been stopped on the same token Hall was later.

Furhtermore, the point deduction(s) vs Hill were a joke. Hill could have win that fight. Certainly, DM had his hands more than full. Roy destroyed Hill.

The perception, regardless of linearship, was that Roy was "the man" and Dariusz should have acquiesced (sp) a bit to fight him.

In any case, all I'm saying is the complete truth, which is that it is totally understandable that Roy did not want to fight Germany's favorite fighter in Germany.

Lennox Lewis is not a German, and that comparison is invalid. Besides, Lewis got him in the rematch. If Roy "lost" to DM in Germany it'd be a cold day in hell before he'd have been given another shot.

[Smokin']

Let's really think about things...even at LHW Roy Jones barely lost rounds and his stoppage of Virgil Hill was one of the best shots I've ever seen. Do you really think anybody wanted a piece of Roy?