who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[ADP02]

I've been trying to avoid getting back into this fray, but I do want to address some things that I've run into recently.



First of all, I want to reiterate that the medical information documents collection on WADA's website are NOT Mandatory. They are there to guide and assist the TUEC in making decisions about TUE's.



The mandatory document is the ISTUE document. However, there is of course some interesting things that should be addressed from the medical information documents, as well as the other guidelines that exist on WADA's website.

First, let's get this "OR" thing out of the way:



WADA's website has a guideline to help the TUEC to interpret the ISTUE document. It provides clarification about the retroactive TUE language:

The****utic Use Exemptions Guideline --> https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws....7.0-en.pdf.pdf



This further proves, like many of us have been saying, that the (one and only) application for a TUE is to be considered based upon the provisions of article 4.1. This is clear.

Article 4.3 discusses the situations that would allow that (one and only) application to be retroactively considered. This document even gives further insight about some of the provisions of article 4.3.



Just to be thorough, notice that the language that comes before the example provided states "could be," so this is not the only "exceptional circumstance" that could arise. However, I think that it is a good example to look at. I know you would want to point out that it says "suddenly affected by a medical condition" and say that points to an acute condition. However, according to this document, this need not be the case:





This backs up exactly what I told you before. The situation will depend on when the chronic condition is diagnosed. This clearly states that a TUE can be granted when the chronic condition is first diagnosed. If the DCO arrived and was unable to secure enough urine and at that point it was discovered that chronic dehydration was affecting Mayweather, a retroactive TUE can be granted. The document even goes further and guides the TUEC to allow the TUE if the condition is potentially chronic.

Now, let's look at the IV use specifically:


Being able to drink doesn't always mean that it will be the most effective plan of action when dealing with the causes of dehydration. I will explain more below.


WADA accredited labs perform a "specific gravity test" to analyze the urine and see if it is too diluted. If it is, the athlete must give another sample, so this doesn't really apply.



First of all, the document never says that it is not an acceptable medical use. It says:



That's first and foremost. Second, the only mandatory document, the ISTUE, does state in article 4.1:



However, the guideline for reviewing applications for TUEs qualifies this in a few ways, one of which states:



I'm not sure if that applies to this situation due to the time constraints? Would drinking enough water to deal with the condition have caused him to perform below the level he normally would perform at? I don't know.

What is known for certain is this:



It is for the physician to justify the use of the IV. Can you prove that the physician did not justify it's use? It's clear that you cannot without the physician's records and without the TUE application. Here is an example given in version 3.0 of the WADA document that you have been referencing:



This shows that just because you can drink, doesn't mean that drinking will fit the bill as a reasonable the****utic alternative. Did Floyd have hyponatremia? You have no way of knowing this. Also, you've been recently trumpeting that you've found evidence that Ariza hyper hydrates his athletes. Not sure where you got that from or if it was the case with Floyd, but you should know that drinking too much water has been proven to potentially cause Hyponatremia. Again, what is clear is that there is a lack of awareness about Floyd's condition.



If you made it this far, thanks for reading. I tried to make this information clear enough using only information from WADA, and I think it clearly shows what I've been trying to tell you all along. There is no solid proof of any wrongdoing with regards to the IV, and no solid proof of PED use.

I will respond to all later

but

this is what WADA expects but USADA's interpretation is different. That is a HUGE RED FLAG ... when they are so off the mark with their interpretation!!! :


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"WADA has clarified that the use of IV infusions to treat mild dehydration or simply accelerate recovery IS NOT an acceptable medical use of IVs in sport."

"For more information please read https://www.wada-ama.org/en/resource...ntravenous</u>

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[Lester Tutor]

It happens in boxing. Even though I do not like the ending, at least I can say it was an awesome fight. So not salty, as you put it.

Everyone thinks like I do about the Memo version of Marquez.

You think it was an awesome fight yet you claim Marquez cheated. That makes sense..

[travestyny]

I will respond to all later

but

this is what WADA expects but USADA's interpretation is different. That is a HUGE RED FLAG ... when they are so off the mark with their interpretation!!! :


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"WADA has clarified that the use of IV infusions to treat mild dehydration or simply accelerate recovery IS NOT an acceptable medical use of IVs in sport."

"For more information please read https://www.wada-ama.org/en/resource...ntravenous</u>

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It would be better if WADA itself proclaimed that. My post mentions that not only does WADA never say that, but even if it were true, that does not indicate that USADA allowed the IV due to a misinterpretation of the rules, since WADA allows a physician to justify the use. Again, we need to see what the physician wrote about Mayweather's condition, but we are not privy to that information. It's as simple as that.

[Spoon23]

Wtf!!

104 votes for Froid Mayweather! The ultimate cheater in boxing is now stamped sealed and delivered!

This is the moral lesson of the story.

To be the best in boxing. You have to reside in Vegas, train 90% on hugging and running.

Watch chicken run movie or a real chicken run for at least 1000x

Learn Floyd's ways of self preservation. Running and hugging is 90% boxing. the art of self preservation. A major skill to master.

IVS can mask anything as long as Vegas USADA is on your side.

To emulate Floyd Instead of pad work they will have the hug drill which will be 90% of their training


Pay of anybody connected to boxing in Vegas and you'll never lose.

Moral lesson: cheating is a good thing in boxing. You can con naive boxing fans by the millions and retire with all the harvested money you conned from them.

Floyd's Motto: 'DAYLIGHT ROBBERY BABY!!'

[Zaroku]

Marquez is out of the race!

It is great that Floyd and PAC are both seen as drug cheats.... Floyd & Manny together account for over 85% of the drug cheating according to the poll!

Really, this is an awesome chronicle of who voters feel are the biggest cheats!! Marquez is an Amazing guy. He doesn't even compare to Floyd or Manny, If this were a presidential primary, Marquez would drop out. Less red flags compared to both Floyd and Manny...

HAHAhahahahahahaha! Hahahahaha. Bwahahahahahajaha!! O ****. Hahabwahahaha!!

Hauser, Lance Hahahahaha. no investigation. Nothing. It is over.

American Crime Story is wanting scripts for next season, drug cheaters, Floyd & Manny. Great stuff.
Slow motion, drug cheats, tight socks, LGBT, talking to God.

Who came closest to beating Floyd? Vote if you haven't.
It is great that Floyd and PAC are both seen as drug cheats.... Floyd & Manny together account for over 85% of the drug cheating according to the poll!

Really, this is an awesome chronicle of who voters feel are the biggest cheats!! Marquez is an Amazing guy. He doesn't even compare to Floyd or Manny, If this were a presidential primary, Marquez would drop out. Less red flags compared to both Floyd and Manny...

HAHAhahahahahahaha! Hahahahaha. Bwahahahahahajaha!! O ****. Hahabwahahaha!!

Hauser, Lance Hahahahaha. Bwahahahahahajaha

This is so ****ing funny at this point. A Lot of hurt feelings. It is so funny to me. Hahahahahaha!

[Zaroku]

Wtf!!

104 votes for Froid Mayweather! The ultimate cheater in boxing is now stamped sealed and delivered!

This is the moral lesson of the story.

To be the best in boxing. You have to reside in Vegas, train 90% on hugging and running.

Watch chicken run movie or a real chicken run for at least 1000x

Learn Floyd's ways of self preservation. Running and hugging is 90% boxing. the art of self preservation. A major skill to master.

IVS can mask anything as long as Vegas USADA is on your side.

To emulate Floyd Instead of pad work they will have the hug drill which will be 90% of their training


Pay of anybody connected to boxing in Vegas and you'll never lose.

Moral lesson: cheating is a good thing in boxing. You can con naive boxing by the millions and retire with all the harvested money you conned from them.

Floyd's Motto: 'DAYLIGHT ROBBERY BABY!!'

HAHAhahahahahahaha! Bwahahahahahajaha, So funny!!!

[Spoon23]

Behold the gold plated chicken feet in all its glory!



And the chicken trophy award for the best hypocrite in boxing goes to..

Floyd Mayweather! Applause! Applause! Applause!

Floyd: I dedicate this award to all who have supported my IV ways. Without you I won't be here to receive this chicken feet award. I'm truly blessed.

[ADP02]

You think it was an awesome fight yet you claim Marquez cheated. That makes sense..

Of course it makes sense.

From a fight perspective, it was an awesome fight. Back and forth momentum, knockdowns of both fighter, KO finish ...... yes that was an awesome fight ........

Marquez never dropping Manny in 3 fights then doing it not once but twice in the fight in question, ...... the best answer is Memo's 20 ways to lead your fighter to PEDs and never get caught.

[Zaroku]

It happens in boxing. Even though I do not like the ending, at least I can say it was an awesome fight. So not salty, as you put it.

Everyone thinks like I do about the Memo version of Marquez.

This is bullcrap. Not everyone thinks like you do about the Memo version of Marquez. I have asked spoon to stop all encompassing statements, it makes you guys look even more p@ctarded!

[ADP02]

It would be better if WADA itself proclaimed that. My post mentions that not only does WADA never say that, but even if it were true, that does not indicate that USADA allowed the IV due to a misinterpretation of the rules, since WADA allows a physician to justify the use. Again, we need to see what the physician wrote about Mayweather's condition, but we are not privy to that information. It's as simple as that.

I pointed to where it was stated.

This is not my website but one that USA, Canada, Japan, UK use to verify prohibited and non-prohibited substances and methods. Even USADA mentions this all over their website. They request athletes to go their to get their information on accessible drugs found in their country.

As mentioned by other posters too (including Floyd fans), they see a difference in how USADA is interpreting this. So once there is a difference like that then it questions USADA's approval of Floyd's IV.

WADA allows an athlete and his doctor to verify if the substance or method that they are thinking about using is acceptable and if there are no other non-prohibited alternatives. If the doctor makes a mistake in judgment, that is unacceptable and at the end, its the responsibility of the athlete to make sure that he completely understands this. So that is why I say that Floyd had to know exactly what was going on. If not, it was his head on the line.

Floyd told us on multiple occasions why he took the IV and why. Floyd said it was because he was dehydrated and used it to recuperate from his training sessions. There is an alternative for that and Floyd had hired an expert for that .... that expert was Dr Ariza and he instead told Floyd to use an IV.


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