who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

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This is bullcrap. Not everyone thinks like you do about the Memo version of Marquez. I have asked spoon to stop all encompassing statements, it makes you guys look even more p@ctarded!

Of course I know that not everyone believes this. I'm sure that quite a few of Marquez fans do not believe this and some Floyd fans do not believe this but a majority of fans do believe this.

I usually do not say all ... that just came out wrong due to my quick response. This post corrects any misunderstandings. Cool?


BTW - I'm also a fan of the Marquez brothers. I wished he got his big breaks and got his shot at the other big names .... he did but not all of them and some came later in their careers.

but did you see how Alvarado reacted to Marquez's punches? That was just wow!!! The new Marquez Tyson!!!

I can be a fan but also be su****ious ...... like I said in another post, some athletes that I was cheering for ended up being cheats and got caught later.


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Of course I know that not everyone believes this. I'm sure that quite a few of Marquez fans do not believe this and some Floyd fans do not believe this but a majority of fans do believe this.

I usually do not say all ... that just came out wrong due to my quick response. This post corrects any misunderstandings. Cool?


BTW - I'm also a fan of the Marquez brothers. I wished he got his big breaks and got his shot at the other big names .... he did but not all of them and some came later in their careers.

but did you see how Alvarado reacted to Marquez's punches? That was just wow!!! The new Marquez Tyson!!!

I can be a fan but also be su****ious ...... like I said in another post, some athletes that I was cheering for ended up being cheats and got caught later.

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Ok, many of us make all encompassing statements.

I would say that there are some boxing fans that see red flags from having Memo on the team, and some see Ariza as little better.

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definitely poochie. dude was juiced to the grills but i respected him more during those times. he was actually exciting to watch and he wasn't all about bible verses. he was more of a thug when he was c*ckfighting and ****ing dirty filipina whores.

Now your talking!!! I miss my old whore mongering PAC! Fine FILIPINA SMASHING boss player PAC was on a tear. Lord Jizz a lot!
That is how a player does it!

Get yours off the muther ****ing top.

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Ok, many of us make all encompassing statements.

I would say that there are some boxing fans that see red flags from having Memo on the team, and some see Ariza as little better.

Memo is a known admitted PEDs cheat. Says that he knows of 20 ways to mask his PEDs and said even after getting caught that there is nothing wrong with using PEDs to level the playing field. His words not mine.

Then we know that Marquez was willing to try anything to boost himself. Even drink urine and so on. Marquez did not knock down Manny in 36 rounds? In comes Memo ...... (note: Fight 3 was technical type fight, so that is OK ....)


Here is what Ariza said recently about Manny after the Floyd fight. So take what you will from that. Ariza could have thrown Manny under the bus but didn't:

BT: I think what makes it look even more suspect is the fact that they didn't disclose the injury on NSAC's pre-fight questionnaire. Those guys have been in enough fights to know better than that.

Alex Ariza : Let me tell you something, in my opinion, that's another lie that they offered Manny something. The Manny I know won't take aspirin, he won't take anti-inflammatories, he won't take cortizone, he won't do any of that SH$t. He won't do it .........



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[Zaroku]

Memo is a known admitted PEDs cheat. Says that he knows of 20 ways to mask his PEDs and said even after getting caught that there is nothing wrong with using PEDs to level the playing field. His words not mine.

Then we know that Marquez was willing to try anything to boost himself. Even drink urine and so on. Marquez did not knock down Manny in 36 rounds? In comes Memo ...... (note: Fight 3 was technical type fight, so that is OK ....)


Here is what Ariza said recently about Manny after the Floyd fight. So take what you will from that. Ariza could have thrown Manny under the bus but didn't:

BT: I think what makes it look even more suspect is the fact that they didn't disclose the injury on NSAC's pre-fight questionnaire. Those guys have been in enough fights to know better than that.

Alex Ariza : Let me tell you something, in my opinion, that's another lie that they offered Manny something. The Manny I know won't take aspirin, he won't take anti-inflammatories, he won't take cortizone, he won't do any of that SH$t. He won't do it .........



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Yet he wanted Toridol, a nice fat shot, all from the aspirin free Manny!

Look brother. All of these are statements not under oath, and not under cross examination. People are building cases, based on news and not witnesses. Ariza had his case thrown out of court?? No validity?? I am not sure why?

But .... Speculation is fine, and not always wrong. But Ariza has his own credibility to maintain. If I sold you drugs, as a drug dealer, I would say that you wouldn't even take aspirin, so any drugs that I sold you, are, in my experience, things you wouldn't use.

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Yet he wanted Toridol, a nice fat shot, all from the aspirin free Manny!

Look brother. All of these are statements not under oath, and not under cross examination. People are building cases, based on news and not witnesses. Ariza had his case thrown out of court?? No validity?? I am not sure why?

But .... Speculation is fine, and not always wrong. But Ariza has his own credibility to maintain. If I sold you drugs, as a drug dealer, I would say that you wouldn't even take aspirin, so any drugs that I sold you, are, in my experience, things you wouldn't use.

I agree with your statements ..... that is why I said "take what you will" from Ariza, the drop kick dude on a guy with Parkinson's! That must be an all time low ..... sad stuff

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I agree with your statements ..... that is why I said "take what you will" from Ariza, the drop kick dude on a guy with Parkinson's! That must be an all time low ..... sad stuff

Ariza is a punk.

My overall feeling is this, many people speculate. It is in our human nature.

I have no idea who cheated, how wide spread it is, but it has been my experience that all the top guys do it, possibly in all professions.

I hope Arum leaves PAC alone. PAC deserves to be free of Bob now.

Anyway, back to my lounge threads.

Peace bro!

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I pointed to where it was stated.

This is not my website but one that USA, Canada, Japan, UK use to verify prohibited and non-prohibited substances and methods. Even USADA mentions this all over their website. They request athletes to go their to get their information on accessible drugs found in their country.

As mentioned by other posters too (including Floyd fans), they see a difference in how USADA is interpreting this. So once there is a difference like that then it questions USADA's approval of Floyd's IV.

WADA allows an athlete and his doctor to verify if the substance or method that they are thinking about using is acceptable and if there are no other non-prohibited alternatives. If the doctor makes a mistake in judgment, that is unacceptable and at the end, its the responsibility of the athlete to make sure that he completely understands this. So that is why I say that Floyd had to know exactly what was going on. If not, it was his head on the line.

Floyd told us on multiple occasions why he took the IV and why. Floyd said it was because he was dehydrated and used it to recuperate from his training sessions. There is an alternative for that and Floyd had hired an expert for that .... that expert was Dr Ariza and he instead told Floyd to use an IV.
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You're right. It's Floyd's head on the line if something goes wrong. There was initially a lot of interest in this IV situation. Keep this in mind:

"WADA may review any TUE decisions at any time, whether upon request by those affected or on its own initiative."

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/wada-guidelines_tue-v7.0-en.pdf.pdf

I don't know whether WADA reviewed this situation. If they did, clearly they were satisfied. There really isn't much more to say about this. Like I said, even if the information found on that website is correct (which doesn't seem correct based on what is in the ISTUE in my opinion), it still allows for a medical practitioner to justify the IV use. I've given examples of situations which would allow the use to be justified. The truth of the matter is we don't know if Floyd's situation should have been allowed or not until we can see the medical practitioner's information. Since that information is confidential, it is impossible to decide whether the IV should have been allowed or not. I'm not deflecting or dodging anything. I'm playing this as straight up as possible. You may very well be correct in what you believe, but there is absolutely no proof. Therefore, you may very well be absolutely wrong.

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You're right. It's Floyd's head on the line if something goes wrong. There was initially a lot of interest in this IV situation. Keep this in mind:

"WADA may review any TUE decisions at any time, whether upon request by those affected or on its own initiative."

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/wada-guidelines_tue-v7.0-en.pdf.pdf

I don't know whether WADA reviewed this situation. If they did, clearly they were satisfied. There really isn't much more to say about this. Like I said, even if the information found on that website is correct (which doesn't seem correct based on what is in the ISTUE in my opinion), it still allows for a medical practitioner to justify the IV use. I've given examples of situations which would allow the use to be justified. The truth of the matter is we don't know if Floyd's situation should have been allowed or not until we can see the medical practitioner's information. Since that information is confidential, it is impossible to decide whether the IV should have been allowed or not. I'm not deflecting or dodging anything. I'm playing this as straight up as possible. You may very well be correct in what you believe, but there is absolutely no proof. Therefore, you may very well be absolutely wrong.

WADA checks then when they are requested too (usually). When there is no request then it becomes optional in this circumstance. Even then, if the cover up was good and all they have is a paper in their hands and an approval from USADA, what are you expecting them to say? Again, think of Lance Armstrong who was caught with steroids. Doctor can come up with lots of BS.

So you want to just see what BS Floyd's doctor comes up with?

Actually what I pointed out to was them stating what WADA has clarified. Not some other ADO organization. The medical information that the TUEC should look at, according to WADA, when thinking about approving goes further than that. Right?



What Floyd's doctor said?

He will say just like Lance Armstrong's doctor said as to why Lance had to use steroids. They try to cover it up with the most believable story that they can come up with.
Substance: Steroids
Reason: Butt rash/soreness due to constant cycling.
Due to what: Cycling sessions

I was happy to see Lance overcome his illness and then win but even as a fan, you need to question what happened. One year he has cancer then he rebounds and wins the Tour de France? Great story but something was not right.


So even if I was a fan of Floyd, I would have to look at what we know. If we had nothing, then you are right BUT they told us:
Method: IV:
Reason: Dehydration. IV requested to recoup ......
Due to what: Training session


This is NOT rocket science. What is dehydration?

We have Floyd's pre-fight form. No medical condition
We have the NSAC vital signs. ALL NORMAL!!!


Floyd's weight was where one would even question dehydration because as you pointed out, HE ALREADY DRANK A LOT. Remember?

146 weigh in + drank a lot. Later drank and "I ate a lot"
149 fight night weight.

I would definitely understand if its someone like Canelo or Chavez JR who need to rehydrate 20+lbs but Floyd says he makes weight EASILY!!!

Floyd does not even go up to 160s. Fight night was 149!!!

Walking weight you say? Floyd was dehydrated you say?
Here is Floyd boasting right after getting an IV. That his walking weight is basically the same as his fight night weight (could be even lower!) and that he is NOT like other fighters that drain themselves.

Now be objective.
Would you be inviting FLoydHype and talking like that after getting an IV???




"I'm not one particular fighter that has drained himself 20 or 30 pounds. I'm a fighter that walks around at 150, 148... I'm extremely happy with everything...right now ....., - Floyd Mayweather, who invited FightHype.com into his home less than 24 hours before he steps into the ring to face Manny Pacquiao -





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WADA checks then when they are requested too (usually). When there is no request then it becomes optional in this circumstance. Even then, if the cover up was good and all they have is a paper in their hands and an approval from USADA, what are you expecting them to say? Again, think of Lance Armstrong who was caught with steroids. Doctor can come up with lots of BS.

So you want to just see what BS Floyd's doctor comes up with?

Didn't USADA have to see what the doctor came up with? Of course we need to judge the merits of the doctor's findings. Just because some doctors lie doesn't mean that you should disregard this. YOU HAVE TO JUDGE THE MERITS OF THE CASE FOR THE IV, WHICH IS THE DOCTOR'S FINDINGS.

Actually what I pointed out to was them stating what WADA has clarified. Not some other ADO organization. The medical information that the TUEC should look at, according to WADA, when thinking about approving goes further than that. Right?

Where is the statement from WADA that they clarified this? You had to go to a third party to find "verification," yet you can't find it anywhere among WADA's mandatory documentation or otherwise. Furthermore, WADA clearly states that IV use in excess of 50ml for non-banned substances has to be justified by a medical practitioner. THAT is what is at issue here. You can't just bring up Lance and claim this is a moot point, bro!

So even if I was a fan of Floyd, I would have to look at what we know.

Actually, we can't make an informed opinion based on what we know. That's the point. You can speculate all you want, if that makes you happy. I can speculate that he experienced hyponatremia, which would knock out all of your talk about weight, vital signs, and can be supported by WADA documentation. Again, there is no need for speculation if you have the medical records. What this comes down to is your belief that USADA helped Floyd to bend the rules. You seem to base that on a hatred for Floyd. That's fine, but there is no conclusion that can be drawn from the information out there.

If we had nothing, then you are right BUT they told us:
Method: IV:
Reason: Dehydration. IV requested to recoup ......
Due to what: Training session


This is NOT rocket science. What is dehydration?

We have Floyd's pre-fight form. No medical condition
We have the NSAC vital signs. ALL NORMAL!!!


Floyd's weight was where one would even question dehydration because as you pointed out, HE ALREADY DRANK A LOT. Remember?

146 weigh in + drank a lot. Later drank and "I ate a lot"
149 fight night weight.

Walking weight you say? Floyd was dehydrated you say?

Yes, he said he experienced dehydration. Dehydration can cause hyponatremia. Can you disprove that he experienced this? WADA has stated:

"Oral rehydration is usually highly effective, yet there may be cases such as documented hyponatremia where hypertonic saline by IV is more effective than oral treatments."

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/WADA_Medical_info_IV_infusions_3.0_EN.pdf

If you can't disprove that the dehydration brought on hyponatremia or any other condition that would make the IV a better solution than oral rehydration, you don't have anything. Again, the "proof" you have amounts to absolutely nothing. You just can't admit it.