who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[Zaroku]

It is great that Floyd and PAC are both seen as drug cheats.... Floyd & Manny together account for over 85% of the drug cheating according to the poll!

Really, this is an awesome chronicle of who voters feel are the biggest cheats!! Marquez is an Amazing guy. He doesn't even compare to Floyd or Manny, If this were a presidential primary, Marquez would drop out. Less red flags compared to both Floyd and Manny...

HAHAhahahahahahaha! Hahahahaha. Bwahahahahahajaha!! O ****. Hahabwahahaha!!

Hauser, Lance Hahahahaha. Bwahahahahahajaha

This is so ****ing funny at this point. A Lot of t@rds being t@rted and trying to put Manny back together again. Carry on. I will jump in from time to time to ask about the state of your investigations. American Crime Story is wanting scripts for next season. Hahaha!!

[ADP02]

It is great that Floyd and PAC are both seen as drug cheats.... Floyd & Manny together account for over 85% of the drug cheating according to the poll!

Really, this is an awesome chronicle of who voters feel are the biggest cheats!! Marquez is an Amazing guy. He doesn't even compare to Floyd or Manny, If this were a presidential primary, Marquez would drop out. Less red flags compared to both Floyd and Manny...

HAHAhahahahahahaha! Hahahahaha. Bwahahahahahajaha!! O ****. Hahabwahahaha!!

Hauser, Lance Hahahahaha. Bwahahahahahajaha

This is so ****ing funny at this point. A Lot of t@rds being t@rted and trying to put Manny back together again. Carry on. I will jump in from time to time to ask about the state of your investigations. American Crime Story is wanting scripts for next season. Hahaha!!

It really depends on how you look at it.

Most people think its Floyd, so they pick him. Then the disgruntled Floyd fans retaliate and pick Manny. So Marquez gets overlooked in this poll.

In 3 previous fights, 0 knockdowns for Marquez against Manny.
Marquez vs Manny I - knockdowns 0 vs 3
Marquez vs Manny II - knockdowns 0 vs 1
Marquez vs Manny III - knockdowns 0 vs 0 (technical fight)
Marquez vs Manny IV - knockdowns 2 vs 1

Once he had Memo Heredia for a few fights, Marquez then knocks down Manny TWICE!!!



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[Zaroku]

It really depends on how you look at it.

Most people think its Floyd, so they pick him. Then the disgruntled Floyd fans retaliate and pick Manny. So Marquez gets overlooked in this poll.

In 3 previous fights, 0 knockdowns for Marquez against Manny.
Marquez vs Manny I - knockdowns 0 vs 3
Marquez vs Manny II - knockdowns 0 vs 1
Marquez vs Manny III - knockdowns 0 vs 0 (technical fight)
Marquez vs Manny IV - knockdowns 2 vs 1

Once he had Memo Heredia for a few fights, Marquez then knocks down Manny TWICE!!!

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Hahahahaha red flag!! Ariza is in Manny's corner, power increases!
Ariza and Memo are buddies. Red flag
Manny had Ariza, for you, Yelow Flag?

Unlike most guys in this thread, I think they are all dirty. period. Conte pretty much said this too.

Year round random testing should be the norm, not just a month or 6 weeks before a fight. This is a joke.

Now you got this new conspiracy theory that Floyd fans retaliated against PAC in the voting, thus overlooking Marquez? Insane logic. How do you know? Proof?? None. Speculation as usual in this thread.

I already voted Floyd cheated, Manny too, Marquez too!

[Lester Tutor]

Hi ALT!!!!

Where are your buddies?

[travestyny]

I've been trying to avoid getting back into this fray, but I do want to address some things that I've run into recently.

You said that there is only one document that should be looked.
I proved to you that you were wrong. Even the quote below references it.

First of all, I want to reiterate that the medical information documents collection on WADA's website are NOT Mandatory. They are there to guide and assist the TUEC in making decisions about TUE's.

This information should be read in conjunction with the principles set out in the ISTUE regarding the granting criteria for TUEs (Article 4.1 to 4.3). The objective is to guide and assist TUECs in the decision making process for TUE applications and are not mandatory documents.

The mandatory document is the ISTUE document. However, there is of course some interesting things that should be addressed from the medical information documents, as well as the other guidelines that exist on WADA's website.

First, let's get this "OR" thing out of the way:

They removed chronic medical conditions as part of the equation. Start with that and it explains it clearly. Your explanation does not because you seem to think that removing it was just to confuse us all. Funny stuff!

WADA's website has a guideline to help the TUEC to interpret the ISTUE document. It provides clarification about the retroactive TUE language:

The****utic Use Exemptions Guideline --> https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws....7.0-en.pdf.pdf

There are situations for which TUEs may be granted retroactively.
The evaluation process is identical to the standard TUE application procedure: The relevant TUEC studies the application and issues its decision.

This further proves, like many of us have been saying, that the (one and only) application for a TUE is to be considered based upon the provisions of article 4.1. This is clear.

Article 4.3 discusses the situations that would allow that (one and only) application to be retroactively considered. This document even gives further insight about some of the provisions of article 4.3.

Per ISTUE Article 4.3, the following situations may result in a retroactive TUE:

b. Due to other exceptional circumstances, there was insufficient time or opportunity for the Athlete to submit, or the TUEC to consider, an application for the TUE prior to Sample collection;

Exceptional circumstances occur when a TUE cannot be granted in time through No Fault of the Athlete. The following examples could be considered “exceptional circumstances”:

 A healthy Athlete is suddenly affected by a medical condition days prior to an Event, and is unable to request and be granted a TUE by a TUEC in the time allotted.

Just to be thorough, notice that the language that comes before the example provided states "could be," so this is not the only "exceptional circumstance" that could arise. However, I think that it is a good example to look at. I know you would want to point out that it says "suddenly affected by a medical condition" and say that points to an acute condition. However, according to this document, this need not be the case:

If its chronic, then it must have happened before. Right? So when was the last time? Did he require an IV back then too?
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5.1 Chronic Conditions
A TUE for an otherwise Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method will always be granted for a specific dose, frequency, method, route, and duration of Administration, even if the medical condition and the Use of the substance are chronic. When a potentially chronic medical condition is first diagnosed, it may be advisable to grant a TUE for a shorter period until the medical regime is stabilized.

This backs up exactly what I told you before. The situation will depend on when the chronic condition is diagnosed. This clearly states that a TUE can be granted when the chronic condition is first diagnosed. If the DCO arrived and was unable to secure enough urine and at that point it was discovered that chronic dehydration was affecting Mayweather, a retroactive TUE can be granted. The document even goes further and guides the TUEC to allow the TUE if the condition is potentially chronic.

Now, let's look at the IV use specifically:

The document that I referenced clearly states that there is an alternative which is orally rehydrating yourself. Floyd was clearly able to do that.

Being able to drink doesn't always mean that it will be the most effective plan of action when dealing with the causes of dehydration. I will explain more below.

The NSAC found that several samples were over hydrated and came up negative but the one that wasn't had the substance in question. Diaz had experts/doctors just like Floyd and Lance had doctors defending their stance.

WADA accredited labs perform a "specific gravity test" to analyze the urine and see if it is too diluted. If it is, the athlete must give another sample, so this doesn't really apply.

BUT there is good news. I have the proof!!!

USADA and other countries direct athletes from their country to go to this website to find out if the substance in question is prohibited or not.

Here you go. It's as clear as day. Furthermore it references the document that I explained to you and told you what it meant:
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"WADA has clarified that the use of IV infusions to treat mild dehydration or simply accelerate recovery IS NOT an acceptable medical use of IVs in sport."

"For more information please read https://www.wada-ama.org/en/resource...ntravenous</u>
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First of all, the document never says that it is not an acceptable medical use. It says:

It must be understood that the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild to moderate dehydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature.

That's first and foremost. Second, the only mandatory document, the ISTUE, does state in article 4.1:

c. There is no reasonable The****utic alternative to the Use of the Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method (ISTUE Article 4.1(c)).

However, the guideline for reviewing applications for TUEs qualifies this in a few ways, one of which states:

 There may be instances where it is not medically appropriate to try the alternatives before Using the medication containing the Prohibited Substance. In these cases, the physician is to state why.

I'm not sure if that applies to this situation due to the time constraints? Would drinking enough water to deal with the condition have caused him to perform below the level he normally would perform at? I don't know.

What is known for certain is this:

8. Any appropriate cautionary matters
It is the responsibility of the treating physician to evaluate the clinical indication for an IV infusion or injection and the subsequent need for a TUE application.

It is for the physician to justify the use of the IV. Can you prove that the physician did not justify it's use? It's clear that you cannot without the physician's records and without the TUE application. Here is an example given in version 3.0 of the WADA document that you have been referencing:

Oral rehydration is usually highly effective, yet there may be cases such as documented hyponatremia where hypertonic saline by IV is more effective than oral treatments.

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws....ons_3.0_EN.pdf

This shows that just because you can drink, doesn't mean that drinking will fit the bill as a reasonable the****utic alternative. Did Floyd have hyponatremia? You have no way of knowing this. Also, you've been recently trumpeting that you've found evidence that Ariza hyper hydrates his athletes. Not sure where you got that from or if it was the case with Floyd, but you should know that drinking too much water has been proven to potentially cause Hyponatremia. Again, what is clear is that there is a lack of awareness about Floyd's condition.

With that said, that just puts the retroactive TUE that was given to Floyd into question, BIG TIME!!!
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If you made it this far, thanks for reading. I tried to make this information clear enough using only information from WADA, and I think it clearly shows what I've been trying to tell you all along. There is no solid proof of any wrongdoing with regards to the IV, and no solid proof of PED use.

[ADP02]

Hahahahaha red flag!! Ariza is in Manny's corner, power increases!
Ariza and Memo are buddies. Red flag
Manny had Ariza, for you, Yelow Flag?

Unlike most guys in this thread, I think they are all dirty. period. Conte pretty much said this too.

Year round random testing should be the norm, not just a month or 6 weeks before a fight. This is a joke.

Now you got this new conspiracy theory that Floyd fans retaliated against PAC in the voting, thus overlooking Marquez? Insane logic. How do you know? Proof?? None. Speculation as usual in this thread.

I already voted Floyd cheated, Manny too, Marquez too!

BUT my point is that you can only vote for 1 of them. As you did (only voted for one of them)

BUT there is also the logic that Marquez only did this after he tagged teamed with Memo. While Manny and Floyd (IV scandal, 3 positive tests rumor, T/E) have been mentioned more when it comes to this topic. Which also makes sense when you look at the numbers.

[Zaroku]

BUT my point is that you can only vote for 1 of them. As you did (only voted for one of them)

BUT there is also the logic that Marquez only did this after he tagged teamed with Memo. While Manny and Floyd (IV scandal, 3 positive tests rumor, T/E) have been mentioned more when it comes to this topic. Which also makes sense when you look at the numbers.

Or, even before this fight, Manny was already seen as a drug cheat by many.

[Lester Tutor]

It really depends on how you look at it.

Most people think its Floyd, so they pick him. Then the disgruntled Floyd fans retaliate and pick Manny. So Marquez gets overlooked in this poll.

In 3 previous fights, 0 knockdowns for Marquez against Manny.
Marquez vs Manny I - knockdowns 0 vs 3
Marquez vs Manny II - knockdowns 0 vs 1
Marquez vs Manny III - knockdowns 0 vs 0 (technical fight)
Marquez vs Manny IV - knockdowns 2 vs 1

Once he had Memo Heredia for a few fights, Marquez then knocks down Manny TWICE!!!



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Funny how Manny never won a UD against Marquez... hmm

Memo Heredia showed Marquez how to counter on an incoming Pac pounce.

It doesn't even matter anymore, the mission of the Pac brigade. They're so salty the dude's image fades away day by day.

[ADP02]

Or, even before this fight, Manny was already seen as a drug cheat by many.

Yup, it was because Floyd said so then the sheep followed ..... I get it.

..... but I understand if someone objectively thinks that way.

..... Manny had a concern that giving blood then training/fight would affect him.

..... Floyd confirmed that even 10 days later, giving blood affected him.


So what was just a concern for Manny, must be true because Floyd said so.

[ADP02]

Funny how Manny never won a UD against Marquez... hmm

Memo Heredia showed Marquez how to counter on an incoming Pac pounce.

It doesn't even matter anymore, the mission of the Pac brigade. They're so salty the dude's image fades away day by day.

It happens in boxing. Even though I do not like the ending, at least I can say it was an awesome fight. So not salty, as you put it.

Everyone thinks like I do about the Memo version of Marquez.