who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[Zaroku]

This is the next thread that needs to **** off to global boxing scene...and all you degenerates with it

Hahahahahaha bwahahahahahajaha. Next step global boxing scene. This stuff is so old and stale now. HAHAhahahahahahaha!!!

Bwahahahahahajaha Hahaha!

The crusade is over. HAHAhahahahahahaha!

Jesse Vargas vs Granados, dying to see that fight!

[Rath]

This is the next thread that needs to **** off to global boxing scene...and all you degenerates with it

why are you so affected by this thread?

did this thread ruined your life? LOL

[travestyny]

So you think claim that WADA spent all this time doing all these medical reviews for no reason?

Nope. They themselves told you the reviews are there to guide and assist. That's all it says about them, by the way.

Any more words you want to insert into USADA's documentation? How about any final words to insert into Landis' mouth? Are you done adding your own twist to everything?

Good. It's over.

[travestyny]

Wrong. According to NSAC, they are the sole authority on TUE approvals. So they have a lot to do with everything! Since it was Floyd, they let this all slide.

Chronic dehydration has nothing to do with Floyd. You picked the wrong guy to state what you stated. Its a big joke! Floyd trained for months and only lost a few pounds at the end, to make weight. Floyd's weight was as steady as a rock! Floyd did not require an IV. Think for a second. Pretend his name is not Floyd then it would all make sense.

Chronic dehydration is internet talk and you went with it like as if Floyd can have it. Can it happen? Sure but we are talking about inexperienced athletes for the most part. Its not what you think it means.

Floyd's trainer likes getting his fighter super hydrated before weigh ins and fights. Did you not even see that Floyd was even questioning what he should be drinking? They had it monitored.

I can keep going back and forth with you about this, but I agree with the other few people. This has gone on long enough.

When you get some solid proof, I hope you do something good with it. If that solid proof never comes your way, hope you are man enough to realize you could be wrong. Furthermore, if you are right that he shouldn't have received the IV, I hope you realize that your belief that he used PED's is even less likely than your so called proof about him not being dehydrated enough. However, you won't ever admit that, will you?

So in conclusion, enjoy your speculation and conspiracy theory. I'm going to instead celebrate the sensational career of the greatest boxer of my generation, and victory #48 is always going to be the most special of all.

49 and 0 baby. TBE! (not in my opinion, but as his trademark moniker, sure.)

Look forward to discussing other boxing issues with you around here, and of all the Pacroaches I respect you the most. Cheers, buddy.

[Zaroku]

I can keep going back and forth with you about this, but I agree with the other few people. This has gone on long enough.

When you get some solid proof, I hope you do something good with it. If that solid proof never comes your way, hope you are man enough to realize you could be wrong. Furthermore, if you are right that he shouldn't have received the IV, I hope you realize that your belief that he used PED's is even less likely than your so called proof about him not being dehydrated enough. However, you won't ever admit that, will you?

So in conclusion, enjoy your speculation and conspiracy theory. I'm going to instead celebrate the sensational career of the greatest boxer of my generation, and victory #48 is always going to be the most special of all.

49 and 0 baby. TBE! (not in my opinion, but as his trademark moniker, sure.)

Look forward to discussing other boxing issues with you around here, and of all the Pacroaches I respect you the most. Cheers, buddy.

All the Kings horses and all the Kings men, couldn't put the myth of the Manny back together again.

Fanny Manny sat on a wall, Fanny Manny had a big fall...

You know the rest.

[ADP02]

You are lying. We both know they described Floyd's symptoms and made an uneducated guess as to what "contributed" to Floyd's dehydration.




Accurate? As if a patient with no medical background self diagnosis counts for anything.

No you are ..... read below

No the physician performs test and analyze blood work - this can take weeks - with would explain why the application wasn't submitted until 19 days later.

I thought the doctor knew right away what was wrong with Floyd and that is why Floyd got the IV. Now you are saying he only knew 19 days later. So why the IV?

You don't even know what he wrote. Let alone what Floyd's medical condition was. How can you REASONABLY come to a conclusion that the documents were a fabrication if you don't know what was on them????


What kind of goofy backwards logic is that?

Oh yeah that's right you thing dehydration is a disease and rehydration is a cure.

YOU : "ellerbe diagnosed Floyd with dehydration"

Pact@rdism

Floyd fan taking a bullet is what you are talking about.

I just came back from the doctor.

The doctor asked me what's wrong. Also weighed me. We know Floyd's weight before and after the issue occurred.

The doctor took blood pressure, pulse, checked eyes, and a few other things. NSAC doctor did all this too for Floyd and a few other things. All came back normal! Go check out the results.

Yes there was to be a urine test but Floyd cannot urinate, remember!!!


What else do you think the doctor did? Not much more I would think (for dehydration) but even then .....


We are not saying that Floyd, Ellerbe and Ariza came to this conclusion on their own. Well, my thought is that Dr Ariza told them and then Floyd got an IV. So the point is that
Floyd, Ellerbe and Dr Ariza are being interviewed AFTER the fact and have all the information already. All they have to do is parrot it back just like Dr Ariza told them, I mean that doctor.


Just like I found out what the doctor thought about my issues and what he prescribed. If I can do all that and my issue was more complex and out of my field, I'm sure that someone with 20+ years experience as an athlete and Dr Ariza can let us know about something they should already know. RIGHT?

Furthermore, Dr Ariza lets his fighters hyper hydrate the last few days before the fight. So I cannot believe that Floyd was extremely dehydrated.



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[ADP02]

When you get some solid proof, I hope you do something good with it.

Look forward to discussing other boxing issues with you around here, and of all the Pacroaches I respect you the most. Cheers, buddy.

As I said, there is already a lot of evidence. Even the article that you linked us to states what I have been saying since day 1.

I have more evidence on something that goes against your thought and puts this all the more into question. I gotta go but I will let you know shortly.


Thanks for the good words!



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[Dosumpthin]

No you are ..... read below


I thought the doctor knew right away what was wrong with Floyd and that is why Floyd got the IV. Now you are saying he only knew 19 days later. So why the IV?

The iv was administered to correct dehydration. The iv can not cure the cause of dehydration.

Floyd fan taking a bullet is what you are talking about.

I just came back from the doctor.

The doctor asked me what's wrong. Also weighed me. We know Floyd's weight before and after the issue occurred.

The doctor took blood pressure, pulse, checked eyes, and a few other things. NSAC doctor did all this too for Floyd and a few other things. All came back normal! Go check out the results.

Yes there was to be a urine test but Floyd cannot urinate, remember!!!


What else do you think the doctor did? Not much more I would think (for dehydration) but even then .....

You've been to a doctor? I didn't realise you had such an extensive medical background.
Thank you explaining your medical credentials.

As far as the NSAC doctor, if they couldn't tell delahoya was dehydrated - why would I expect them to verify Floyd's medical condition?

We are not saying that Floyd, Ellerbe and Ariza came to this conclusion on their own. Well, my thought is that Dr Ariza told them and then Floyd got an IV. So the point is that
Floyd, Ellerbe and Dr Ariza are being interviewed AFTER the fact and have all the information already. All they have to do is parrot it back just like Dr Ariza told them, I mean that doctor.

Keep your thoughts and speculation to yourself. This whole statement is pointless. No matter how many times you say it.

Just like I found out what the doctor thought about my issues and what he prescribed. If I can do all that and my issue was more complex and out of my field, I'm sure that someone with 20+ years experience as an athlete and Dr Ariza can let us know about something they should already know. RIGHT?

Again more useless speculation.

Furthermore, Dr Ariza lets his fighters hyper hydrate the last few days before the fight. So I cannot believe that Floyd was extremely dehydrated.

The severity of the dehydration matters to determine if the athlete requires a the****utic use exemption.


USADA stance on iv use


"Some reports suggest that administration of IV infusions, including dietary supplement and vitamin ****tails, are being provided to athletes for recuperation, recovery or lifestyle reasons. This medical practice is prohibited at all times without prior TUE approval. "

[ADP02]

The iv was administered to correct dehydration. The iv can not cure the cause of dehydration.

Floyd worked out every day. That was what they stated was the cause of the dehydration. So in this case, the IV corrected the issue. This is not my words. Its Floyd's and Ellerbe's. Did they come back with a correction on this statement? No.

Instead Floyd doubled down in another interview. Here is why I call Ariza the doctor that was in the house:


"I have to thank (Dr) Alex Ariza. For the Manny fight he made sure that I ate the right food. He made sure that I was not dehydrated because I think the day before the fight I was extremely dehydrated because I really push myself to the limit. I always push myself. Dr Ariza made sure I was not dehydrated and Alex Ariza showed me how to rehydrate myself like an athlete should in a professional matter." - Floyd Mayweather

Again, instead of this conflicting with Floyd's and Ellerbe's previous statements, Floyd explains it as a fact.

You've been to a doctor? I didn't realise you had such an extensive medical background.
Thank you explaining your medical credentials.

As far as the NSAC doctor, if they couldn't tell delahoya was dehydrated - why would I expect them to verify Floyd's medical condition?

If you worked out and the doctor tells you that you are dehydrated, I and others can grasp and understand all that. You on the other hand are having such a difficult time with this. Trust me, just pretend its not Floyd and you would get it.


Do you know exactly what happened with Oscar? Do you know what the NSAC doctor said? What went down?
Why are you not asking for Oscar's medical files instead of coming to a conclusion like you did but cannot for Floyd? Maybe its because you can believe Oscar was truly dehydrated but even you cannot believe that Floyd was.

We are not saying that Floyd, Ellerbe and Ariza came to this conclusion on their own. Well, my thought is that Dr Ariza told them and then Floyd got an IV. So the point is that
Floyd, Ellerbe and Dr Ariza are being interviewed AFTER the fact and have all the information already. All they have to do is parrot it back just like Dr Ariza told them, I mean that doctor.

Keep your thoughts and speculation to yourself. This whole statement is pointless. No matter how many times you say it.

Again more useless speculation.

No speculation here. I have several interviews that backs up my thoughts. There was no conflict in their statements. No follow-up corrections. Instead in the quote above, Floyd presents it as a fact, not speculation. You really have nothing.

The severity of the dehydration matters to determine if the athlete requires a the****utic use exemption.


USADA stance on iv use


"Some reports suggest that administration of IV infusions, including dietary supplement and vitamin ****tails, are being provided to athletes for recuperation, recovery or lifestyle reasons. This medical practice is prohibited at all times without prior TUE approval. "

Dr Ariza hyper hydrates his fighters. Floyd makes weight easily. Floyd's weight was relatively stable. Nothing severe.


Even USADA's interpretation of WADA code states that Floyd should not have had an IV. The above quote is exactly why Floyd used the IV but they state that Floyd should have already had a TUE approval.

Maybe USADA bent the rules a bit for Floyd?


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[Dosumpthin]

Even USADA's interpretation of WADA code states that Floyd should not have had an IV. The above quote is exactly why Floyd used the IV but they state that Floyd should have already had a TUE approval.

Maybe USADA bent the rules a bit for Floyd?


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Glad to see you are now starting to see through Thomas Hauser's bull****.


What would the application for a normal tue for iv use look like - when the reason is simply "lifestyle" or "recuperation"?

How does it pass all the criteria required for a tue?

It doesn't. According to the supporting literature, iv use should be banned all together - with no possible tue. Right??

That's why, just like asthma, USADA felt the need to adress iv use seperately.

Lifestyle choice to use an iv??????? That's acceptable?

Yep.

Simple. Wada just wants the athlete to ask for permission to use the iv. The guidelines that you qoute are there to support their stance on the issue. Because Its debateable and controvesial. They are saying "Its ok to use it, but we want to know EVERY time you - unless you were on the brink of death. You don't need a tue for that.


It's like a teacher issuing a hall pass to the bathroom. They have to control it or students will abuse their priveledge and leave the class at will. Just like those same students need a chaperone at a prom.


Wada doesn't want a culture that will encourage cheaters to cheat. Just like the nature of all ADO's - it is a detterent.


So none of the ****** points Thomas Hauser brought up matters. The severity of dehydration???

Most importantly, Floyd wasn't "caught". Which would insinuate he was hiding iv use. That's supicious. But he wasn't caught. He was transparent.


He did everything the he should've done.


Which leads to the infamous "Or" in section 4.3 for retroactive iv approval.....

B. Insufficient time. No debating their wasn't enough time.
Or
D. Wada AND USADA feels it would be fair to allow Floyd to submit The application retroactively.


Bent the rules. No. They followed the rules exactly how they are written in the English language.



*note please stop posting Wada guidelines. All the guidelines do is provide clinical support for wadas decision to require a tue for IV use mild dehydration following exercise. They just want the athlete to ask for permission. Floyd was dehydrated and he did.