who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[Spoon23]

"I'm not one particular fighter that has drained himself 20 or 30 pounds. I'm a fighter that walks around at 150, 148... I'm extremely happy with everything...right now ....., - Floyd Mayweather, who invited FightHype.com into his home less than 24 hours before he steps into the ring to face Manny Pacquiao -





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Oh, oh, Floyd just said he walks around 150-148 so how can this fraud be severely dehydrated when he doesn't even need to cut weight lol

IV man has a lot of explaining to do. Tsk tsk tsk tsk..

This dude has been exposed to death in the thread. He needs to walk the walk of shame befitted to the most richest fraud in boxing..

[ADP02]

Didn't USADA have to see what the doctor came up with? Of course we need to judge the merits of the doctor's findings. Just because some doctors lie doesn't mean that you should disregard this. YOU HAVE TO JUDGE THE MERITS OF THE CASE FOR THE IV, WHICH IS THE DOCTOR'S FINDINGS.

We already know why. Floyd, Ellerbe, Dr Ariza and so on have told you why ... Floyd was dehydrated due to his training.

BUT its seems that you are not believing them. Why?

Where is the statement from WADA that they clarified this? You had to go to a third party to find "verification," yet you can't find it anywhere among WADA's mandatory documentation or otherwise. Furthermore, WADA clearly states that IV use in excess of 50ml for non-banned substances has to be justified by a medical practitioner. THAT is what is at issue here. You can't just bring up Lance and claim this is a moot point, bro!

Its explained at the WADA website but because you do not want to understand it or you are looking for a loophole for Floyd, you think its not written. In fact, WADA goes much further than the below statements.

USADA's interpretation is different and brings their approval into question. Can you blame them? It was because Floyd that they got a foot into the door as far as boxing goes and that helped them get into other combat sports..... Plus Floyd's representatives keep on giving USADA loads of money.

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http://www.globaldro.com/US/search/FAQ

Are intravenous infusions (IVs) prohibited?

Yes, intravenous infusions are a prohibited method, even if the substance being infused is permitted, if the volume is more than 50mL per 6 hour period. The only exception is if you are admitted to the hospital, undergoing surgery, or a clinical investigation (ie. a diagnostic procedure). If your medical condition requires intravenous infusions that take place outside of the hospital, such as on the field of play, in a post-race medical tent, or in a medical clinic, then you should apply for a The****utic Use Exemption (TUE).

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WADA has clarified that the use of IV infusions to treat mild dehydration or simply accelerate recovery IS NOT an acceptable medical use of IVs in sport.

For more information please read https://www.wada-ama.org/en/resource...cs-intravenous
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http://www.usada.org/substances/prohibited-list/athlete-guide/

•Global DRO (GlobalDRO.com) is a searchable online database of medications that details the status of medications available in Canada, Japan, the United Kingdom, and the United States.

Actually, we can't make an informed opinion based on what we know. That's the point. You can speculate all you want, if that makes you happy. I can speculate that he experienced hyponatremia, which would knock out all of your talk about weight, vital signs, and can be supported by WADA documentation. Again, there is no need for speculation if you have the medical records. What this comes down to is your belief that USADA helped Floyd to bend the rules. You seem to base that on a hatred for Floyd. That's fine, but there is no conclusion that can be drawn from the information out there.


Yes, he said he experienced dehydration. Dehydration can cause hyponatremia. Can you disprove that he experienced this? WADA has stated:

"Oral rehydration is usually highly effective, yet there may be cases such as documented hyponatremia where hypertonic saline by IV is more effective than oral treatments."

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/WADA_Medical_info_IV_infusions_3.0_EN.pdf

If you can't disprove that the dehydration brought on hyponatremia or any other condition that would make the IV a better solution than oral rehydration, you don't have anything. Again, the "proof" you have amounts to absolutely nothing. You just can't admit it.

Oh so now you are believing me that there was no way that Floyd was dehydrated (deficiency of water) much because you too are bringing this up. Good. At least you are realizing that it was not dehydration. Maybe that is why you do not want to listen to what Floyd, Ellerbe and Dr Ariza had to say.


Here is the problem that I have with your statement.
1) That is another way of masking!!!! Drinking loads of fluids!

2) What does Floyd, Ellerbe, Ariza say? It was due to dehydration not hyponatremia.
Why an IV? Because Floyd was severely dehydrated due to his workouts and giving blood and urine. This has NOTHING to do with hyponatremia.

3) "My urine was darker than usual"???? unless Floyd has some crazy ailment, that would be the opposite of hyponatremia. Darker urine would mean that his body has above normal concentrations.


4) If this were the case, then Dr Ariza goofed, right? If that were the case then Floyd would have fired Ariza like supposedly why Khan fired him, right?
Instead in the UK interview, Floyd praised Dr Ariza in how he was able to keep Floyd hydrated during camp and how to professionally rehydrate him when needed .... that is to say, with an IV!!!


It was dehydration that Floyd and Ellerbe claimed. USADA, NSAC, WADA says that there is an alternative and Floyd was able to do that as we saw. Just

USADA:
"•Monitor fluid losses: Weigh-in before and after training, especially during hot weather and conditioning phases of the season
•For each pound lost during exercise, drink three cups of fluid"

Again why an IV? According to USADA, for everyone but Floyd, the above is enough.


"Participants went from mildly dehydrated to fully hydrated in 45 minutes by consuming 600mL of water. That’s less than two bottled waters. Researchers also found no difference between water and Gatorade for achieving hydration."

Again why an IV?

[ADP02]

Oh, oh, Floyd just said he walks around 150-148 so how can this fraud be severely dehydrated when he doesn't even need to cut weight lol

IV man has a lot of explaining to do. Tsk tsk tsk tsk..

This dude has been exposed to death in the thread. He needs to walk the shame befitted to the most richest fraud in boxing..

Yup!

According to USADA all he had to do was drink. So why the IV???

•Monitor fluid losses: Weigh-in before and after training, especially during hot weather and conditioning phases of the season
•For each pound lost during exercise, drink three cups of fluid


Where are those gifs of Floyd drinking up?



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[travestyny]

We already know why. Floyd, Ellerbe, Dr Ariza and so on have told you why ... Floyd was dehydrated due to his training.

BUT its seems that you are not believing them. Why?

Ok, please try to read what I wrote again slowly. In fact I'll write it again for you here. Dehydration can be a cause of hyponatremia. Dehydration. YES, dehydration. Should I type it again? I am not discussing why he was dehydrated.

Its explained at the WADA website but because you do not want to understand it or you are looking for a loophole for Floyd, you think its not written. In fact, WADA goes much further than the below statements.

USADA's interpretation is different and brings their approval into question. Can you blame them? It was because Floyd that they got a foot into the door as far as boxing goes and that helped them get into other combat sports..... Plus Floyd's representatives keep on giving USADA loads of money.

************************************************

http://www.globaldro.com/US/search/FAQ

Are intravenous infusions (IVs) prohibited?

Yes, intravenous infusions are a prohibited method, even if the substance being infused is permitted, if the volume is more than 50mL per 6 hour period. The only exception is if you are admitted to the hospital, undergoing surgery, or a clinical investigation (ie. a diagnostic procedure). If your medical condition requires intravenous infusions that take place outside of the hospital, such as on the field of play, in a post-race medical tent, or in a medical clinic, then you should apply for a The****utic Use Exemption (TUE).

**********************************************
WADA has clarified that the use of IV infusions to treat mild dehydration or simply accelerate recovery IS NOT an acceptable medical use of IVs in sport.

For more information please read https://www.wada-ama.org/en/resource...cs-intravenous
**********************************************



http://www.usada.org/substances/prohibited-list/athlete-guide/

•Global DRO (GlobalDRO.com) is a searchable online database of medications that details the status of medications available in Canada, Japan, the United Kingdom, and the United States.

Read what I highlighted in red, then ask yourself did you really understand what you just read.

Second, the second link is not connected with the statement you put right above it. You gave information from a third party who interpreted WADA's information, yet you say USADA may have interpreted WADA's information incorrectly. Do you see how this makes you a biased hypocrite? Look at WADA's documents and show me where that statement exists?

Oh so now you are believing me that there was no way that Floyd was dehydrated (deficiency of water) much because you too are bringing this up. Good. At least you are realizing that it was not dehydration. Maybe that is why you do not want to listen to what Floyd, Ellerbe and Dr Ariza had to say.


Here is the problem that I have with your statement.
1) That is another way of masking!!!! Drinking loads of fluids!

2) What does Floyd, Ellerbe, Ariza say? It was due to dehydration not hyponatremia.
Why an IV? Because Floyd was severely dehydrated due to his workouts and giving blood and urine. This has NOTHING to do with hyponatremia.

3) "My urine was darker than usual"???? unless Floyd has some crazy ailment, that would be the opposite of hyponatremia. Darker urine would mean that his body has above normal concentrations.


4) If this were the case, then Dr Ariza goofed, right? If that were the case then Floyd would have fired Ariza like supposedly why Khan fired him, right?
Instead in the UK interview, Floyd praised Dr Ariza in how he was able to keep Floyd hydrated during camp and how to professionally rehydrate him when needed .... that is to say, with an IV!!!


It was dehydration that Floyd and Ellerbe claimed. USADA, NSAC, WADA says that there is an alternative and Floyd was able to do that as we saw. Just

USADA:
"•Monitor fluid losses: Weigh-in before and after training, especially during hot weather and conditioning phases of the season
•For each pound lost during exercise, drink three cups of fluid"

Again why an IV? According to USADA, for everyone but Floyd, the above is enough.


"Participants went from mildly dehydrated to fully hydrated in 45 minutes by consuming 600mL of water. That’s less than two bottled waters. Researchers also found no difference between water and Gatorade for achieving hydration."

Again why an IV?

Ok...now read it one more time.

1. Dehydration can cause hyponatremia.

2. "Oral rehydration is usually highly effective, yet there may be cases such as documented hyponatremia where hypertonic saline by IV is more effective than oral treatments."
https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws....ons_3.0_EN.pdf


Don't put words in my mouth. I never said he didn't experience dehydration. You are just having some comprehension problems. Read carefully, then get back to me.

[Spoon23]

Yup!

According to USADA all he had to do was drink. So why the IV???

•Monitor fluid losses: Weigh-in before and after training, especially during hot weather and conditioning phases of the season
•For each pound lost during exercise, drink three cups of fluid


Where are those gifs of Floyd drinking up?



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Here it is, enjoy the most unbelievably dehydrated man in the world.

"I'm not one particular fighter that has drained himself 20 or 30 pounds. I'm a fighter that walks around at 150, 148... I'm extremely happy with everything...right now ....., - Floyd Mayweather, who invited FightHype.com into his home less than 24 hours before he steps into the ring to face Manny Pacquiao -












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[Dosumpthin]

Here it is, enjoy the most unbelievably dehydrated man in the world.

You're an idiot

[Dosumpthin]

Ok, please try to read what I wrote again slowly. In fact I'll write it again for you here. Dehydration can be a cause of hyponatremia. Dehydration. YES, dehydration. Should I type it again? I am not discussing why he was dehydrated.




Read what I highlighted in red, then ask yourself did you really understand what you just read.

Second, the second link is not connected with the statement you put right above it. You gave information from a third party who interpreted WADA's information, yet you say USADA may have interpreted WADA's information incorrectly. Do you see how this makes you a biased hypocrite? Look at WADA's documents and show me where that statement exists?



Ok...now read it one more time.

1. Dehydration can cause hyponatremia.

2. "Oral rehydration is usually highly effective, yet there may be cases such as documented hyponatremia where hypertonic saline by IV is more effective than oral treatments."
https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws....ons_3.0_EN.pdf


Don't put words in my mouth. I never said he didn't experience dehydration. You are just having some comprehension problems. Read carefully, then get back to me.

ADP02 doesn't understand dehydration can be caused by something. Which explains his fixation on Floyd's weight 30 days prior.



He also says USADA misinterpreted WADA code - which is a counter argument to something I pointed out within an USADA document about iv use dated before the fight was even announced - but still thinks USADA shows favoritism to Floyd by allowing the iv. Logically, you can't have it both ways. But we aren't dealing with logic. Just speculation based on a conspiracy to make Manny lose.

[ADP02]

Ok, please try to read what I wrote again slowly. In fact I'll write it again for you here. Dehydration can be a cause of hyponatremia. Dehydration. YES, dehydration. Should I type it again? I am not discussing why he was dehydrated.

Yes, please repeat .... Go ahead and explain all this and keep in mind what has been said by FLoyd and company.

Read what I highlighted in red, then ask yourself did you really understand what you just read.

Second, the second link is not connected with the statement you put right above it. You gave information from a third party who interpreted WADA's information, yet you say USADA may have interpreted WADA's information incorrectly. Do you see how this makes you a biased hypocrite? Look at WADA's documents and show me where that statement exists?

You may have misunderstood .... no problem.

WADA clarified that IVs are not acceptable for the****utic medical use for the issues mentioned below but USADA says even though that is the case, you can still get a TUE from USADA!!!

For the issues mentioned below:
WADA is saying just drink up.
USADA is saying you can use an IV for just about anything .... just ask and you will get your IV. WHAT USADA???



This is what USADA says and is conflicting.
"Some reports suggest that administration of IV infusions, including dietary supplement and vitamin ****tails, are being provided to athletes for recuperation, recovery or lifestyle reasons. This medical practice is prohibited at all times without prior TUE approval.


WADA clarifies and says the above statement is wrong because it is NOT an acceptable medical use .... so you cannot apply for a TUE if its not acceptable!!!
**********************************************
WADA has clarified that the use of IV infusions to treat mild dehydration or simply accelerate recovery IS NOT an acceptable medical use of IVs in sport.

For more information please read https://www.wada-ama.org/en/resource...cs-intravenous
**********************************************

Ok...now read it one more time.

1. Dehydration can cause hyponatremia.

2. "Oral rehydration is usually highly effective, yet there may be cases such as documented hyponatremia where hypertonic saline by IV is more effective than oral treatments."
https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws....ons_3.0_EN.pdf


Don't put words in my mouth. I never said he didn't experience dehydration. You are just having some comprehension problems. Read carefully, then get back to me.

Again, explain what happened ..... GO!

[Zaroku]

Dr. Ariza

Alex Ariza : Let me tell you something, in my opinion, that's another lie that they offered Manny something. The Manny I know won't take aspirin, he won't take anti-inflammatories, he won't take cortizone, he won't do any of that SH$t. He won't do it .........

Dr. Ariza:
He won't take an aspirin, he won't take cortisone!

Dr. Zaroku
Then, why the hell did he want Toradol??

This is really great stuff !!

[travestyny]

Yes, please repeat .... Go ahead and explain all this and keep in mind what has been said by FLoyd and company.

Didn't I already explain? What is it that you don't understand?

WADA clarified that IVs are not acceptable for the****utic medical use for the issues mentioned below but USADA says even though that is the case, you can still get a TUE from USADA!!!

For the issues mentioned below:
WADA is saying just drink up.
USADA is saying you can use an IV for just about anything .... just ask and you will get your IV. WHAT USADA???



This is what USADA says and is conflicting.
"Some reports suggest that administration of IV infusions, including dietary supplement and vitamin ****tails, are being provided to athletes for recuperation, recovery or lifestyle reasons. This medical practice is prohibited at all times without prior TUE approval.


WADA clarifies and says the above statement is wrong because it is NOT an acceptable medical use .... so you cannot apply for a TUE if its not acceptable!!!

WADA's statement and USADA's statement on the matter are not conflicting.

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WADA has clarified that the use of IV infusions to treat mild dehydration or simply accelerate recovery IS NOT an acceptable medical use of IVs in sport.

For more information please read https://www.wada-ama.org/en/resource...cs-intravenous
**********************************************

Once again, the quotation that you give is not present at the link you give. Why are you trying to pass this off as WADA's statement? It is a 3rd party who is interpreting what WADA stated. Again, you talk about USADA misinterpreting WADA but this 3rd party you take as WADA's statement, when WADA doesn't even remotely say the same thing. Furthermore, WADA allows the IV use to be justified by a medical practitioner. You are not going to get around this.

Again, explain what happened ..... GO!

I'm not sure what you can't understand. Go back, read it again, and stop pretending that what you posted is WADA's statement. I've posted information directly from WADA. How about you?