who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

[ADP02]

Glad to see you are now starting to see through Thomas Hauser's bull****.


What would the application for a normal tue for iv use look like - when the reason is simply "lifestyle" or "recuperation"?

How does it pass all the criteria required for a tue?

It doesn't. According to the supporting literature, iv use should be banned all together - with no possible tue. Right??

That's why, just like asthma, USADA felt the need to adress iv use seperately.

Lifestyle choice to use an iv??????? That's acceptable?

Yep.

Simple. Wada just wants the athlete to ask for permission to use the iv. The guidelines that you qoute are there to support their stance on the issue. Because Its debateable and controvesial. They are saying "Its ok to use it, but we want to know EVERY time you - unless you were on the brink of death. You don't need a tue for that.


It's like a teacher issuing a hall pass to the bathroom. They have to control it or students will abuse their priveledge and leave the class at will. Just like those same students need a chaperone at a prom.


Wada doesn't want a culture that will encourage cheaters to cheat. Just like the nature of all ADO's - it is a detterent.


So none of the ****** points Thomas Hauser brought up matters. The severity of dehydration???

Most importantly, Floyd wasn't "caught". Which would insinuate he was hiding iv use. That's supicious. But he wasn't caught. He was transparent.


He did everything the he should've done.


Which leads to the infamous "Or" in section 4.3 for retroactive iv approval.....

B. Insufficient time. No debating their wasn't enough time.
Or
D. Wada AND USADA feels it would be fair to allow Floyd to submit The application retroactively.


Bent the rules. No. They followed the rules exactly how they are written in the English language.



*note please stop posting Wada guidelines. All the guidelines do is provide clinical support for wadas decision to require a tue for IV use mild dehydration following exercise. They just want the athlete to ask for permission. Floyd was dehydrated and he did.

No. I actually think that Hauser was onto something with his 2 articles:

"Can boxing trust USADA?"
"Was Floyd Mayweather really hydrated?"

Way before the articles came up, I was questioning this.


If you noticed, I said "Even USADA's interpretation of WADA code states ....."


Lets say they interpreted WADA's rules incorrectly then that puts their whole approval of Floyd into question. Right?



There are different documents. Some should be used and some they recommend if you are having difficulty interpreting their rules.


In this particular case, you are wrong about this.
Within the document that you are suggesting that is the only document that we should be looking at, it has this statement:

"The WADA documents titled “Medical Information to Support the Decisions of TUECs”, posted on WADA’s website, should be used to assist in the application of these criteria in relation to particular medical conditions."

"Medical Information to Support the Decisions of TUECs - Intravenous Infusion"


So now that you see that it should be used, you have no choice but to join the bandwagon or ...... !


Hauser was right after all! We cannot trust USADA


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[Dosumpthin]

No. I actually think that Hauser was onto something with his 2 articles:

"Can boxing trust USADA?"
"Was Floyd Mayweather really hydrated?"

Way before the articles came up, I was questioning this.


If you noticed, I said "Even USADA's interpretation of WADA code states ....."


Lets say they interpreted WADA's rules incorrectly then that puts their whole approval of Floyd into question. Right?



There are different documents. Some should be used and some they recommend if you are having difficulty interpreting their rules.


In this particular case, you are wrong about this.
Within the document that you are suggesting that is the only document that we should be looking at, it has this statement:

"The WADA documents titled “Medical Information to Support the Decisions of TUECs”, posted on WADA’s website, should be used to assist in the application of these criteria in relation to particular medical conditions."

"Medical Information to Support the Decisions of TUECs - Intravenous Infusion"


So now that you see that it should be used, you have no choice but to join the bandwagon or ...... !


Hauser was right after all! We cannot trust USADA


.

So you must see this qoute is bull**** too....

"It pays to have friends at USADA"
Thomas Hauser


So explain how USADA can "bend the rules for Floyd" if their "misinterpretation" of Wada code was previously in place.



My opinion - USADA didn't misinterpret anything. Wada doesn't want routine iv rehydration after exercise.


Usada understands and will approve for "Lifestyle reasons" - WADA should have taken action against USADA for their policy long ago. But they haven't. So it's fair to assume WADA doesn't have an issue with FLOYDS retroactive tue or athletes using IV for recovery and lifestyle.


Don't like it. Stop trying to play internet doctor. You are not qualified. Go Call Wada. Explain to them USADA doesn't know the rules but VADA does. Give them a link to Thomas Hauser famous "inadvertent use waiver" qoute.



Conclusion - Floyd followed The rules given to him by the ADO. Floyd didn't need a tue from NSAC. WADA has had ample time to question USADA policy on IV use. TOP RANK doesn't have an issue.


"Floyd did nothing wrong" but yet pact@rdism has indicated USADA and even WADA in some sort of grand ped cover up.

[ADP02]

So you must see this qoute is bull**** too....

"It pays to have friends at USADA"
Thomas Hauser


So explain how USADA can "bend the rules for Floyd" if their "misinterpretation" of Wada code was previously in place.



My opinion - USADA didn't misinterpret anything. Wada doesn't want routine iv rehydration after exercise.


Usada understands and will approve for "Lifestyle reasons" - WADA should have taken action against USADA for their policy long ago. But they haven't. So it's fair to assume WADA doesn't have an issue with FLOYDS retroactive tue or athletes using IV for recovery and lifestyle.


Don't like it. Stop trying to play internet doctor. You are not qualified. Go Call Wada. Explain to them USADA doesn't know the rules but VADA does. Give them a link to Thomas Hauser famous "inadvertent use waiver" qoute.



Conclusion - Floyd followed The rules given to him by the ADO. Floyd didn't need a tue from NSAC. WADA has had ample time to question USADA policy on IV use. TOP RANK doesn't have an issue.


"Floyd did nothing wrong" but yet pact@rdism has indicated USADA and even WADA in some sort of grand ped cover up.

USADA approved so WADA more than likely didn't even check it out since they are not obligated to do so. If it was rejected then yes, WADA would more than likely verify due to a request made by the athlete who appealed the decision.



Sorry but I just proved to you that the document in question is supposed to be looked at in conjunction with the document that you said is the only document that should be looked at. So you were wrong about that.

The reason you said that is because you know that if it needs to be looked at then USADA's interpretation was wrong!


In that document, it states several points that goes against what USADA states. You cannot deny that. Can you?


Like I told you, USADA's interpretation is that you are all good for lifestyle reasons, recuperation .... but when you read the document that I referenced, well, that is clearly not what WADA has stated. You are just hoping that WADA is writing all that just for the fun of it. That is a bad way of interpreting.

Its clear.

There are alternatives such as orally hydrating or orally medicating. YES
Did we see Floyd drinking a lot of fluids after the weigh in? Yes

Orally is the way to go for mild or moderately dehydrated athlete. Understood by all but desperate Floyd fans ...... and USADA!

Reason is that WADA's document is in conflict with what USADA stated.


Its clear!

[Zaroku]

This thread is nearly dead.

When PACroid cheats... Overlook it?
When froid cheats .... Overlook it?
When Marroid destroys PACroid overlook it?


Got it!!

Move the **** on!

Who wins?
Granados vs Jesse Vargas?
Mikey Garcia vs Crawford???

[Spoon23]

I think it's obviously clear who is the Winner here. Froid Roid towers above all.

Cleaning up the sport one day at a time.

# TBH THE BEST HYPOCRITE IN BOXING

[Zaroku]

I think it's obviously clear who is the Winner here. Froid Roid towers above all.

Cleaning up the sport one day at a time.

# TBH THE BEST HYPOCRITE IN BOXING

Marquez doesn't even compare to those drug cheats, Floyd and Manny. Great poll. Very informative!

Marquez the least dirty. He KTFO6 Manny and is viewed as the cleanest. Great poll. Only a bit over 13 percent!!! War jmm!!

Truly Amazing!!!

It is great that Floyd and PAC are both seen as drug cheats.... Floyd & Manny together account for over 85% of the drug cheating. Really, this is an awesome chronicle of who voters feel are the biggest cheats!! Marquez is an Amazing guy. He doesn't even register on the charts. If this were a presidential primary, Marquez would drop out. Less red flags compared to both Floyd and Manny...

Spoon, butler, this is a great thread!!! Awesome.

[Dosumpthin]

USADA approved so WADA more than likely didn't even check it out since they are not obligated to do so. If it was rejected then yes, WADA would more than likely verify due to a request made by the athlete who appealed the decision.

Obviously it would be impractical for WADA to fact check every TUE that was issued by every ADO world wide. So they are not "obligated" to do so.

But we can agree this is a high profile client, Floyd Mayweather, and a WADA signatory, USADA, that was the thrust into the public limelight by the false accusations made by Thomas Hauser.

Wada isn't legally obligated but they are certainly morally obliged to.

Sorry but I just proved to you that the document in question is supposed to be looked at in conjunction with the document that you said is the only document that should be looked at. So you were wrong about that.

The reason you said that is because you know that if it needs to be looked at then USADA's interpretation was wrong!

Are you positive about that? Do you not understand my point? I'll explain it again later. FIRST - Lets look at WADA guidelines for IV use..... that tuec are FREE TO INERTPRET


TUECs should apply sound clinical
judgment to their interpretation of the ISTUE, but be mindful of the
inappropriate use of IV infusion in non-emergency situations where alternative
permitted and evidence-based alternatives exist.

In that document, it states several points that goes against what USADA states. You cannot deny that. Can you?

No. And I created a thread, that you were made aware of, in which I pointed out USADA stance on IV use PRIOR to floyd use. USADA has the ability to freely interpret Wada guidelines for IV use.

And Like I routinely tell you...you should call WADA. Explain to them there was a fight on MAY 2nd, ect...

Like I told you, USADA's interpretation is that you are all good for lifestyle reasons, recuperation .... but when you read the document that I referenced, well, that is clearly not what WADA has stated. You are just hoping that WADA is writing all that just for the fun of it. That is a bad way of interpreting.

WADA also states:

"but be mindful of the
inappropriate use of IV infusion in non-emergency situations where alternative
permitted and evidence-based alternatives exist."

What is it they are to be "mindful" of?

Athletes may use the iv to

a) increase their plasma volume levels;
b) mask the use of a Prohibited Substance;
c) distort the values of their Athlete Biological Passport.

Floyd provided a to a total of 19 samples. Do you know the signifance of that statement and how it correlates to to what USADA has to be mindful of?

Its clear.

There are alternatives such as orally hydrating or orally medicating. YES
Did we see Floyd drinking a lot of fluids after the weigh in? Yes

Orally is the way to go for mild or moderately dehydrated athlete. Understood by all but desperate Floyd fans ...... and USADA!

Reason is that WADA's document is in conflict with what USADA stated.


Its clear!

The severity of Floyd's dehydration is a non-issue. USADA has the ability to interpret IV use And they allow if use for recovery and lifestyle reasons with a tue. NSAC doesn't even ban them. Floyd has always been within the rules provided by NSAC and USADA.

The rules weren't bent. Floyd WAS NOT "CAUGHT".

If you have a problem with the way USADA TUEC views IV use for the ALL athletes they test - you should call WADA.

OR KEEP FOLLOWING AGENDA DRIVEN THOMAS HAUSER WHO IS RUNNING A CAMPAIGN FOR VADA (who is not even governed by WADA code)


But you are starting to see HAUSER bull****.
"Inadvertent use waiver". Lol. So ****ing ******. 3 years of investigative journalism and he's still reporting rumors about imaginary ****. You think he's on to something? Why do you even listen to him?

[ADP02]

Obviously it would be impractical for WADA to fact check every TUE that was issued by every ADO world wide. So they are not "obligated" to do so.

But we can agree this is a high profile client, Floyd Mayweather, and a WADA signatory, USADA, that was the thrust into the public limelight by the false accusations made by Thomas Hauser.

Wada isn't legally obligated but they are certainly morally obliged to.



Are you positive about that? Do you not understand my point? I'll explain it again later. FIRST - Lets look at WADA guidelines for IV use..... that tuec are FREE TO INERTPRET


TUECs should apply sound clinical
judgment to their interpretation of the ISTUE, but be mindful of the
inappropriate use of IV infusion in non-emergency situations where alternative
permitted and evidence-based alternatives exist.




No. And I created a thread, that you were made aware of, in which I pointed out USADA stance on IV use PRIOR to floyd use. USADA has the ability to freely interpret Wada guidelines for IV use.

And Like I routinely tell you...you should call WADA. Explain to them there was a fight on MAY 2nd, ect...




WADA also states:

"but be mindful of the
inappropriate use of IV infusion in non-emergency situations where alternative
permitted and evidence-based alternatives exist."

What is it they are to be "mindful" of?

Athletes may use the iv to

a) increase their plasma volume levels;
b) mask the use of a Prohibited Substance;
c) distort the values of their Athlete Biological Passport.

Floyd provided a to a total of 19 samples. Do you know the signifance of that statement and how it correlates to to what USADA has to be mindful of?




The severity of Floyd's dehydration is a non-issue. USADA has the ability to interpret IV use And they allow if use for recovery and lifestyle reasons with a tue. NSAC doesn't even ban them. Floyd has always been within the rules provided by NSAC and USADA.

The rules weren't bent. Floyd WAS NOT "CAUGHT".

If you have a problem with the way USADA TUEC views IV use for the ALL athletes they test - you should call WADA.

OR KEEP FOLLOWING AGENDA DRIVEN THOMAS HAUSER WHO IS RUNNING A CAMPAIGN FOR VADA (who is not even governed by WADA code)


But you are starting to see HAUSER bull****.
"Inadvertent use waiver". Lol. So ****ing ******. 3 years of investigative journalism and he's still reporting rumors about imaginary ****. You think he's on to something? Why do you even listen to him?

PART 3

You said that there is only one document that should be looked.
I proved to you that you were wrong. Even the quote below references it.

The document that I referenced clearly states that there is an alternative which is orally rehydrating yourself. Floyd was clearly able to do that.

The document also states that for mild and moderate dehydration the alternative route that the athlete should take is orally rehydrating. They also state their reasons for that.

Lance Armstrong and others passed many tests. So that is not something to base yourself on. I believe that was also the defense used by Diaz recently. Guess what? The NSAC found that several samples were over hydrated and came up negative but the one that wasn't had the substance in question. Diaz had experts/doctors just like Floyd and Lance had doctors defending their stance.


Now I have showed you proof but as expected, you are hear to defend Floyd so you are blinded by that. It's very simple reading.

BUT there is good news. I have the proof!!!

USADA and other countries direct athletes from their country to go to this website to find out if the substance in question is prohibited or not.

Here you go. It's as clear as day. Furthermore it references the document that I explained to you and told you what it meant:
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"WADA has clarified that the use of IV infusions to treat mild dehydration or simply accelerate recovery IS NOT an acceptable medical use of IVs in sport."

"For more information please read https://www.wada-ama.org/en/resource...ntravenous</u>
***********************************************



•Global DRO (GlobalDRO.com) is a searchable online database of medications that details the status of medications available in Canada, Japan, the United Kingdom, and the United States.


So like I stated. I had pointed out the conflict of USADA's interpretation and what the document states. With that said, that just puts the retroactive TUE that was given to Floyd into question, BIG TIME!!!



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[Lester Tutor]

How this thread keeps popping up i call suspect to alts talking to itself... designed thread to pop up whenever people forget about it...

[ADP02]

How this thread keeps popping up i call suspect to alts talking to itself... designed thread to pop up whenever people forget about it...

Hi ALT!!!!