Max Kellerman says Luis Ortiz has superior skills to Tyson Fury and would beat him

[Elroy1]

Cupo is right that Luis's punching style is a little lazy- he is obviously being somewhat overrated compared to what he should be, although I DO think he has the potential.

I wouldn't lower him to Ali level, that's shocking LOL, more like a Rid**** Bowe for me.

He has enough to beat up Fury though.

[yoz]

Ortiz carries more power, for sure.

[North Star]

I'd favor Ortiz over Fury. Styles make fights. Fury was successful with Wlad because he had the reach to stay away, and the size to not let Wlad grapplehump him. I think Ortiz would set traps and counter Fury. I also think people are mistaking "lazy punching" for fighting relaxed, which helps carry stamina throughout the fight.

[kafkod]

For a big guy, Ortiz moves very well. And considering the fact that he trained and fought with the flu, he showed some pretty good conditioning in the Jennings fight. Luis did a pretty good Ali impersonation throughout the fifth round of that same contest. Fury himself has called Ortiz "a dangerous ****." High praise from a guy that doesn't easily dish out compliments. And, by the way, an orthodox fighter throws left jabs and straight rights.

He is a dangerous ****!

Fury has been known to praise other heavyweights, eg, Deontay Wilder and Wlad, then start trashing and dissing them when he goes into training camp. His whole personality seems to change when he is in fight mode, so I don't always believe the trash talk. But if he praises a potential rival, you can bet, that is his true opinion.

Fury switches stance from orthodox to southpaw during most fights, btw. That's why I mentioned both left and right jabs.

[CubanGuyNYC]

He is a dangerous ****!

Fury has been known to praise other heavyweights, eg, Deontay Wilder and Wlad, then start trashing and dissing them when he goes into training camp. His whole personality seems to change when he is in fight mode, so I don't always believe the trash talk. But if he praises a potential rival, you can bet, that is his true opinion.

Fury switches stance from orthodox to southpaw during most fights, btw. That's why I mentioned both left and right jabs.

I thought you might mean that. Happy Holidays, mate.

[kafkod]

Skillwise Ortiz is superior that is easy to see, but Fury is a weird ass fighter and it worked against Wlad.

It's up to Ortiz to call him on his awkward bull**** and wreck him if he can't then Fury would win. Ortiz hits way harder than the guys who have put Fury on his back, and has the technique to connect. Not to mention Ortiz works best at a distance which is where Fury likes to be unfortunately for him. The tittles right now are up for grabs thanks to Fury the savior of the heavyweight division he started a renaissance.

Tyson has a one inch reach advantage...that's it. Ortiz is so much more schooled and technical than Tyson...they are polar opposites. Tyson without his 6'9" frame has very little going for him. At 6'4" and 84" reach Ortiz has enough size and way more skills than Tyson. He has this calm confidence in the ring that comes from having mastered the game a long time ago. Tyson get's KO'd in this fight. I'd love for Tyson to take this fight but he won't go near Ortiz for some time.

Fury just schooled and shut out Wlad Klitschko, maybe the most technically and tactically adept world champion champion in HW history.

If all it took to do that was being fit, tall and awkward, then the many NBA players who have tried their hand at boxing over the years would have won world titles, but none of them got very far.

[kafkod]

I thought you might mean that. Happy Holidays, mate.

And you mate! Cheers.

[billeau2]

Well if Kellerman said it,its probably wrong.

Kellerman is a very bright guy, he went to one of the most elite high schools in the nation, a public school at that (Hunter High School) and....You happen to be absolutely right.

I think it is hubris...moat of us, sans Elroid, have a tendency to self reflect on our opinions, at least a bit. His analysis in this vid is telling, it makes a correct point then draws a horrendously obscenely wrong conclusion.

max correctly touts Ortiz's Ammy pedigree, and that goes double because the Cuban's teach a great system, problem is its geared towards the ammy's and a real boxing analyst can see problems transitioning.

For example, with Ortiz? he does not know how to cut the ring down, not from the fights of his I have seen. he chases punchers down, back and fourth, like they do in the Ammy's. before calling him the Cuban Big George one has to remember that Foreman was a master of cutting the ring down and stepping in the right places to do so, having learned from Liston.

Kellerman's other bobo is not to realize the training Fury has under his belt. Fury was taught how to move properly in the ring, his skills are not mysterious, nor are they improvised beyond that which experience dictates.

If they fought Ortiz would chase Fury all night and get peppered with jabs. Thats the problem when a guy can't properly cut the ring down. Fury has the reach to quickly step to the side of either of Ortiz's guns, and pluck him with a jab.

Ortiz is an excellent fighter (I Liked Odanier better) and Ortiz has great counter punching ability...so does Fury.

Kellerman is kind of blind to all these skills and if he can't see the skills Tyson displays thats kind of sad. Fury is all wrong for Ortiz in my humble opinion.

[CounTaLL]

i dont think so maybe if ortiz lose 10 more pounds he can go 12 rounds with fury, he still lose of course

[billeau2]

Skillwise Ortiz is superior that is easy to see, but Fury is a weird ass fighter and it worked against Wlad.

It's up to Ortiz to call him on his awkward bull**** and wreck him if he can't then Fury would win. Ortiz hits way harder than the guys who have put Fury on his back, and has the technique to connect. Not to mention Ortiz works best at a distance which is where Fury likes to be unfortunately for him. The tittles right now are up for grabs thanks to Fury the savior of the heavyweight division he started a renaissance.

I disagree and I think ortiz is highly skilled, I also tend to like Cuban fighters. Both guys have been fighting for a long time, granted Ortiz has been fighting longer, but both guys have skills. I would say that when looking at a guy like Jennings, its obvious Ortiz has a lot more skills for sure, but the tendency for many is to not see how Fury is skilled.

To me one difference between both guys is that Fury, after looking bad, made the adjustments that he needs to make in his skill set and movements. he got decked by Cunningham and went through a period where he was implored to box...which is what he did against Vlad. Ortiz imo has not faced a guy who he couldn't catch...He has to make adjustments that allow him to stalk a guy who can move well and who can counter punch well.

My point is that even a highly skilled guy like King Kong...has to make adjstments to his skill set when fighting at the A level of the heavyweight division. I think Ortiz could beat Vlad but could also get caught chasing Vlad around the ring and eating jabs.