Comments Thread For: Arum: Garcia Got Gifts, Not Competitive For Pacquiao

[KnickTillDeaTh]

If you were actually smarter, you'd get the point and clearly it's not a "one or the other" thing like you're making it out to be. Read that paragraph for a second and tell me if you're making any sense because what you're spewing about Paulie, I never said.

I literally said, and please follow along, that the decline in viewer ship was probably partially because Garcia's past performances (I never said that Paulie didn't have a factor) weren't very good and that's obviously going to carry on if he were to fight Pacquiao. I understand Paulie isn't exactly a great fighter, but I have absolutely no doubt Danny actually had better performances before, he could have drawn much more viewers than he actually did. I've seen fighters face "bums" and still draw impressively high viewership. Danny didn't do that so the "advantage" he has just because he's American isn't exactly obvious. Khan fought on Friday night Spike and got like 1.12 viewers against an MMA card. Garcia was under 1.5 viewers on ESPN saturday night.



Well I'm not biased so I don't pick and choose my points like you. I'm going to take his statement as is. Even if that was the case, the great part is everything I said was right about competitiveness, money, etc. So not really a big deal what the "actual reason" is according to you.

It's impressive how you consistently talk out of both sides of your mouth. Khan's last three fights have all been underwhelming, he has looked horrible but yet you use his numbers to prove a point that bad performances may or will (because it seems to me you don't have a grasp of what you speak) affect viewership. I cant wait to read your next double speak. Here's the deal, Garcia drew bigger numbers then both Matthysse and Khan on cable, he also drew more than Khan on network t.v.. Also Are you really saying that Khan had to go up against a weigh in? for UFC at 3pm? Because UFC fight night 67 happened on Saturday May 30th, while Khan vs. Algieri happened on Friday May 29th.

On top of that, Pac's team already confirmed that Khan is the front runner, while Brook is the second choice, which pretty much proves they are not expecting high PPV numbers, also they don't care about the level of past opponents, nor how good the fighter looked. Khan has been unimpressive against underwhelming opponents, and no one thinks Khan has a chance to win, while Brook is still riding high off of his Porter win, and has been fighting trash cans ever since. Brook has virtually no following in the US, explain to me how he fits your theory. Basically, at this point in Pac's career, a fighter who spends the entire fight looking for a knock out, and has the power to do it, along with an adamantium chin,is what Arum does not want. Tie in that Garcia is signed to Al Haymon, and you have your reason. Everything else your spewing is nothing more than conjecture.

[bojangles1987]

I'd like to see it, but yeah, Pacquiao would still beat the Puerto Rican out of Garcia.

[Lester Tutor]

What you think a Pacquiao-Garcia fight wouldn't sell? It'd sell as well as any of the opponents Arum has mentioned.

[FeFist]

He did not have a problem with putting him in the ring with Rios.

[Raonic]

It's impressive how you consistently talk out of both sides of your mouth. Khan's last three fights have all been underwhelming, he has looked horrible but yet you use his numbers to prove a point that bad performances may or will (because it seems to me you don't have a grasp of what you speak) affect viewership. I cant wait to read your next double speak. Here's the deal, Garcia drew bigger numbers then both Matthysse and Khan on cable, he also drew more than Khan on network t.v.. Also Are you really saying that Khan had to go up against a weigh in? for UFC at 3pm? Because UFC fight night 67 happened on Saturday May 30th, while Khan vs. Algieri happened on Friday May 29th.

Except Khan's fights have been more entertaining overall, which was part of my point. I never once said Khan didn't look vulnerable (See at least if you're going to try and refute my points, stop bringing up things I actually didn't say). I was trying to say he was more impressive than Garcia and clearly had more entertainment value and at least clearly won all his fights against Algieri and Alexander (former champs and top 5 ranked at 140 and top 10 at 147). Just because you believe in your own lies that Khan was underwhelming doesn't mean it's true.

There's really no way to deny the fact that if a fighter performs poorly in the public eye (I'm using Garcia here as an example but could literally be applied to most fighters), his viewership is going to suffer (unless he's a DLH or Pacquiao or Mayweather type fighter). That's literally what I've been saying but for some reason, you can't comprehend that. You REALLY don't think a fighter's ability to draw a crowd/viewers (never mind Garcia for a second but any fighter) isn't negatively affected by poor performances? Because that's what I've been saying for 6 pages. Like literally been saying (that people won't think Garcia will be competitive and combined with his poor performances, there's not as much intrigue coming into the fight).

On top of that, Pac's team already confirmed that Khan is the front runner, while Brook is the second choice, which pretty much proves they are not expecting high PPV numbers, also they don't care about the level of past opponents, nor how good the fighter looked. Khan has been unimpressive against underwhelming opponents, and no one thinks Khan has a chance to win, while Brook is still riding high off of his Porter win, and has been fighting trash cans ever since. Brook has virtually no following in the US, explain to me how he fits your theory. Basically, at this point in Pac's career, a fighter who spends the entire fight looking for a knock out, and has the power to do it, along with an adamantium chin,is what Arum does not want. Tie in that Garcia is signed to Al Haymon, and you have your reason. Everything else your spewing is nothing more than conjecture.

Except the real problem is you want to discuss what you think the reason is as to why he didn't pick Garcia (Haymon). I'm actually talking about what the thread is about. The thread is about Garcia not being competitive so obviously I'm going to talk about the group of fighter's abilities to be competitive against Pacquiao in relation to their ability to generate money.

So unless you want to stick to the topic, just shut up. I don't care what you think the "actual" reason is. I'm here talking about the statement made and how that actually ties into the fight and the economics surrounding it.

[The plunger man]

He did not have a problem with putting him in the ring with Rios.

Well maybe because rios doesn't have an inbred of father spewing his vile mouth every where he go's....if I was danny Garcia I would kick my dad to the kerb.....vile antics...racial insults...aggressive and ignorant...disrespectful...ugly...rude...nasty the list go's on for danny garcias dad.......the other reason Is pacquaio would smash him to pieces...garcia is 2 flat footed...open to shots....and don't have the skill to keep up with pacquaio.....but I wouldn't give Garcia a payment as well....sooner or later Garcia will have to fight a decent welterweight and let him derail himself...pacquaio has Khan,brook,Crawford and a few more to choose from.....let Al haymons fighters squabble amongst themselves

[Raonic]

He did not have a problem with putting him in the ring with Rios.

The guy's learning from his mistakes and wants to put him in with more intriguing guys now who can be competitive (and in turn make more money).

[285Kid]

Even thought Danny Garcia beat Khan & Lucas I think Khan & Lucas vs PAC will do better numbers , Garcia has not look good in since fighting those guys

[Raonic]

Even thought Danny Garcia beat Khan & Lucas I think Khan & Lucas vs PAC will do better numbers , Garcia has not look good in since fighting those guys

Already tried to explain how bad performances can affect viewer ship (due to lack of intrigue) but for some people, they can't understand that much.

[champion4ever]

It seems that Arum is tired of all the B.S. decision victories by Danny "Gift".