Comments Thread For: Arum: Garcia Got Gifts, Not Competitive For Pacquiao

[Raonic]

It is absolutely relevent because your rational is unsupported. In the US Danny Garcia is more popular than both Khan and Matthysse. You weren't discussing opponents before. So lets scratch popularity because Garcia got that. Now for opponents, Khans' list is weak so we can also scratch him. Now that just leaves Matthysse, who is far less popular, has losses, one of which to Danny Garcia. Danny Garcia who is u defeated, and will bring large support to a PPV event, which means more money for everyone. So if you want to base it on latest opponents yes Matthysse should get the nod. However, if you want to base it on name, popularity, and who will bring in the most money then that's Danny Garcia. If you want to go on just name alone (and biggest mouth) it's Khan.

Also please explain to me how Garcia was the "inferior" fighter.

Before you answer and prove you don't like Garcia let me point this out; he got a close decision against Herrera who is not an easy out, a close decision against peterson whos no push over, annihilated Salka like he was supposed too, and defeated Malignaggi easily with out braking a sweat, again, like he was supposed too. Again how is Garcia inferior?

Not really because his past performances can clearly affect his viewership in the future, which was my point.

And he's the "inferior fighter" because his performances suggest that. Look, I get he beat Khan and Matthysse 3-4 years ago. Good for him. What he's done since is nowhere near impressive enough that you can even justify that he'd be competitive against Manny.

Look at it from a logical viewpoint. If he's struggled against Peterson and Herrera (even if they aren't pushovers and I never said they were) and has to look impressive against unranked Salka/Paulie, then how competitive am I supposed to think a fight with a top 5 p4p fighter will be (which is what Bob Arum was saying)?

So if people don't think it's a competitive fight from the face value and there's nothing intriguing going into the fight (pretty much because his past performances were so lackluster), then it's obviously not going to be very appealing to a lot of fans.

[Raonic]

I dont agree with your way of thinking , I think Danny is a good fight and a dangerous fight for Manny , they cant slam Garcia and then justify Rios off loses and Algieri , Garcia has the pedigree and the fanbase .

We will just agree to disagree .

Not saying he can't be dangerous, but from his past perfromances, of course less people will think it will be a competitive performance though, meaning there will be less intrigue to sell the fight.

Build Garcia up fight, THEN you can sell a fight with Manny. But you can't sell a competitive fight and no one is going to think it will be a competitive fight if your opponent doesn't look great in his past 4 fights. At least by building him up, there's going to be enough people who will think it will be competitive.

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Not saying he can't be dangerous, but from his past perfromances, of course less people will think it will be a competitive performance though, meaning there will be less intrigue to sell the fight.

Build Garcia up fight, THEN you can sell a fight with Manny. But you can't sell a competitive fight and no one is going to think it will be a competitive fight if your opponent doesn't look great in his past 4 fights. At least by building him up, there's going to be enough people who will think it will be competitive.

Manny fought Rios coming off loses and Algieri , both these guys dont have the followng or record of Garcia , Danny is a big fight marketable right now for anyone at the top of the WW tree , I really cant see how you can say he is not .

[Raonic]

Manny fought Rios coming off loses and Algieri , both these guys dont have the followng or record of Garcia , Danny is a big fight marketable right now for anyone at the top of the WW tree , I really cant see how you can say he is not .

Yea and clearly those were mistakes Bob doesn't want to make again, which is why he's doing it.

And my point is that based on his past performances, there's clearly going to be more people who think it will less competitive than if he performed well. That's why I said if you want people's opinions to change that this will be a competitive fight (therefore a much more marketable fight), he needs to improve his past performance.

If people thought Garcia was a competitive fight before, then it's obviously going to be natural for many people to think it's not going to be a competitive fight based on his past 4 fights. Clearly Bob is one of them (he was considering Garcia before I believe before the Peterson loss) so if he doesn't think it's a competitive fight, no point in him setting it up. It's on Garcia to perform well enough to convince people he's still a competitive fight against Manny.

[KnickTillDeaTh]

Not really because his past performances can clearly affect his viewership in the future, which was my point.

And he's the "inferior fighter" because his performances suggest that. Look, I get he beat Khan and Matthysse 3-4 years ago. Good for him. What he's done since is nowhere near impressive enough that you can even justify that he'd be competitive against Manny.

Look at it from a logical viewpoint. If he's struggled against Peterson and Herrera (even if they aren't pushovers and I never said they were) and has to look impressive against unranked Salka/Paulie, then how competitive am I supposed to think a fight with a top 5 p4p fighter will be (which is what Bob Arum was saying)?

So if people don't think it's a competitive fight from the face value and there's nothing intriguing going into the fight (pretty much because his past performances were so lackluster), then it's obviously not going to be very appealing to a lot of fans.

We know for a fact that these fights haven't affected his viewership because he continues to draw in big numbers. It's the funniest thing about your argument. Danny Garcia is more popular than both Khan and Matthysse in the US. And as far as opponents go, Pac doesnt fight like Herrera or Peterson, those are fighters that wait for you to initiate, Garcia likes to trade with fighters who come towards him, he doesn't like to stalk and initiate. So anyone who knows boxing, knows that styles make fights. At the end of all this, the fact still doesn't change, Garcia would bring in the biggest viewership out of the three, and by extension the most money.

[Raonic]

We know for a fact that these fights haven't affected his viewership because he continues to draw in big numbers. It's the funniest thing about your argument. Danny Garcia is more popular than both Khan and Matthysse in the US. And as far as opponents go, Pac doesnt fight like Herrera or Peterson, those are fighters that wait for you to initiate, Garcia likes to trade with fighters who come towards him, he doesn't like to stalk and initiate. So anyone who knows boxing, knows that styles make fights. At the end of all this, the fact still doesn't change, Garcia would bring in the biggest viewership out of the three, and by extension the most money.

Never realized facts about his ratings going down from Peterson to Paulie were so funny...

There's more to selling a fight than just a regular following. There's obviously going to be less viewers is people don't think a fight will be competitive. That's what sells a fight... You're obviously not going to buy a fight if you aren't impressed by a fighter and don't think it's worth to watch. We literally saw that with Floyd-Berto, Manny-Rios, Manny-Algieri. And clearly by his performance, many people will obviously and naturally change their views on how well Danny can make it competitive.

Bob himself wanted the fight last year but changed his mind and blamed his performance. So clearly he's one of the many who don't have the same views about Danny as before.

[Savage Poster]

Uh oh, -DSG- a.k.a. D1ck Suckin' Guy is going to have a fit when he reads this, .

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LOL

for all the hate Garcia gets on these forums, Khan is more deserving than him? Garcia HAS a following and is a respectable draw as is Khan, I'd bet Khan has a bigger following but not one that would make it seem like Garcia isnt comparable, with everything consirdered Garcia is a way better option.

An argument can be rightfullly made that Marquez won all 4 fights against Pacquiao, and that Pacquiao received 3 gift decisions. You can disagree all you want, but you cant dispute that an argument can be made

And Floyd lost 5 fights.

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[Raonic]

LOL

for all the hate Garcia gets on these forums, Khan is more deserving than him? Garcia HAS a following and is a respectable draw as is Khan, I'd bet Khan has a bigger following but not one that would make it seem like Garcia isnt comparable, with everything consirdered Garcia is a way better option.

An argument can be rightfullly made that Marquez won all 4 fights against Pacquiao, and that Pacquiao received 3 gift decisions. You can disagree all you want, but you cant dispute that an argument can be made

Whether or not you think a fighter lost or won isn't even the point, the post is a fighter's stock clearly suffers if he gets a very questionable decision.