If Al Haymon is so bad.....

[radioraheem]

You keep talking about it after the fact. I get your point, the bottom line is they turned out to be exciting. We're all thankful for that. Still didn't ask for THAT.

Example, I didn't ask for spaghetti for dinner, I didn't want it, I'm disappointed it's what was brought to me because I didn't ask for that. But hey, it turned out to be good.

Yes, Lara-Canelo was crap, but that's what the boxing world was calling for.

Brook is not a Haymon fighter, that was a mandatory. So that's out the window.

The real question is with Haymons loaded roster, why aren't these guys fighting each other? You're mentioning 1-3 fights. Over a course of a couple years.

So the bottom line really is, why aren't the fights the people want to see being made?

I guess everyone was calling for Guerrero to fight Kamegi and Mathysse to fight Molina?

Like I told someone else, no one knows who's fault it is, exactly. But we do know these are Haymons fighters, right? So who's going to be blamed for us not getting the fights we want?

Brook is not a Haymon fight, but Porter is a Haymon fighter. That fight happened, mandatory or not. Alexander vs. Khan is happening next month too. But I guess that's a bad thing right? Haymon fighters do actually fight each other. But you are blind to this fact.

You talk a lot about 'fights we want.' But 'fights we want' is subjective. A good number of those ended up being duds. And the fights you folks on this board didn't necessary want, ended up being very exciting. I'm not a fan of Bob Arum, but I won't sit here and be ****** and say he didn't make good fights this year. Top Rank put up a lot of good fights this year, but some weren't that good either. Same goes with Golden Boy.

This is professional real world boxing, not fantasy boxing. All your little fantasy match-ups won't happen in reality. That's just the way it is, no matter the manager, no matter the Promoter. There's too many things at play in this business. Fights don't get made because of money, fights don't get made out of a lack of interest, fights don't get made because of Promotional ties, fights don't get made because of network ties, fights don't get made because of fighter egos, etc. It sucks, but it is what it is. This ain't the NBA or NFL whatsoever.

I mean, look at Rigo. All of YOU guys on this board love him and watch him, but he's not getting that love from the general public and networks. And because of that we have no idea when he'll be back on TV again.

[SeekDaGreat]

Brook is not a Haymon fight, but Porter is a Haymon fighter. That fight happened, mandatory or not. Alexander vs. Khan is happening next month too. But I guess that's a bad thing right? Haymon fighters do actually fight each other. But you are blind to this fact.

You talk a lot about 'fights we want.' But 'fights we want' is subjective. A good number of those ended up being duds. And the fights you folks on this board didn't necessary want, ended up being very exciting. I'm not a fan of Bob Arum, but I won't sit here and be ****** and say he didn't make good fights this year. Top Rank put up a lot of good fights this year, but some weren't that good either. Same goes with Golden Boy.

This is professional real world boxing, not fantasy boxing. All your little fantasy match-ups won't happen in reality. That's just the way it is, no matter the manager, no matter the Promoter. There's too many things at play in this business. Fights don't get made because of money, fights don't get made out of a lack of interest, fights don't get made because of Promotional ties, fights don't get made because of network ties, fights don't get made because of fighter egos, etc. It sucks, but it is what it is. This ain't the NBA or NFL whatsoever.

I mean, look at Rigo. All of YOU guys on this board love him and watch him, but he's not getting that love from the general public and networks. And because of that we have no idea when he'll be back on TV again.

I get what you're saying, and we could go back an forth all night.

I'm just going to say this and I'm done.

Haymon's stable is loaded, and for whatever it's worth, I think he could/should be providing us with more premier fights. I know why he's not, or why it's not happening and I think it's bull****.

That is all.

[radioraheem]

I get what you're saying, and we could go back an forth all night.

I'm just going to say this and I'm done.

Haymon's stable is loaded, and for whatever it's worth, I think he could/should be providing us with more premier fights. I know why he's not, or why it's not happening and I think it's bull****.

That is all.

The tough reality of the matter is that fighters don't have to fight everyone. And therein lies the problem some of you have.

But the reasons that lie behind why these fights don't happen are too numerous. Too many factors. Schaefer tried to give Guerrero a fight with Thurman, but Guerrero turned it down firmly. And then tried to break out of his contract months later. So when you see Guerrero fight Kamagai, that is Haymon's fault?

This is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. You cannot blame any single Promoter or Manager for many fights not happening regardless of how large their stable is.

[Xi_]

The only people you ever see defending this creep are Mayweather fans, which merely illustrates that the vast majority of these bumsniffs don't actually like boxing.

don't i have your alternative a$$ on ignore? use your real account you POS.

[Foreign Soil]

People who hate Arum's practices are Haymon's biggest supporters. They're two sides of the same coin and if you can't see that, you need to step back and reevaluate.

[Beater_of_ass]

yea pacquiao-algieri, marquez-alverado, and bradley-chaves are all/were legacy fights and fight of the decade material. JCC jr. sure did build a great legacy at TR didn't he?

Algieri is a champion at 140 and is a tough style match up for Manny, it's a legit fight. Marquez-Alvarado was also a good fight, both guys were coming off of losses... don't see the problem with that fight as well. Bradley-Chaves... meh, Bradley is coming off of fighting Manny, Provo, Marquez and Manny again tune-ups and stay busy fights OCCASSIONALLY are fine.

JCC could have fought Froch or GGG both are TREMENDOUS legacy fights especially after already fighting Martinez. Dirrel and Stevenson are better than either of those two? Ha ha, please.

[radioraheem]

don't i have your alternative a$$ on ignore? use your real account you POS.

He totally gave himself away. Once you hear words like 'bumsniff' you know what time it is.

[HAY-B]

This thread is crap because the OP is a Haymon defender at all costs. Firstly, all these guys are turning down paydays and getting stripped of titles, what is that doing for the fighter? Aside from Mayweather, name me one Haymon fighter who has made more than 1 million for a fight? The answer is none. How many fighters does Haymon advise, headlined a PPV? The answer is none. How many fights can a fighter pick while under Al Haymon? The answer is none.

Haymon does nothing but talk pretty and sells a fighter on an idea. He promises big pay days, but in reality Top Rank and Golden Boy provide bigger paydays. They also do great things for your career instead of your wallet and make you a better fighter not just throw you in with crap fighters to make you look good. The difference? Top Rank makes you earn the money but they also make you a better fighter and a respectable legacy. Haymon on the other hand gets you million dollar paydays but it's against nobodies and when you do have to step up things like Berto and Garcia vs Herrera happens. Haymon is the easy way out that's the real difference.

Khan got 1.5 million for his fight against they guy that KO'd Victor Ortiz (can't think of his name right now) and Broner got 1.25 million for his fight vs Molina. Both fights were on the Maidana/Floyd I card

[bluebeam]

How did he do that? Oscar de la Hoya did that...Because of a large latin and american fan base who are knowledgable boxing fans. Haymon was just there as the middle man.

since when does fighting Oscar make you a ppv star? vargas,mosley,hopkins, never went on too become ppv stars after they fought oscar.

haymon was around long before Floyd fought Oscar. but nobody gave a damn until Floyd became the face of boxing. now people hate everything associated with Floyd.

[Szef]

People who hate Arum's practices are Haymon's biggest supporters. They're two sides of the same coin and if you can't see that, you need to step back and reevaluate.

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