If Al Haymon is so bad.....

[Rocky Rode]

i've been following boxing for more than just a few years and arum got barely got any hate in the media or the boxing circuit until the floyd-pacquiao issue and even then he wasn't getting the most hate, it was floyd/gbp who got the most hate.

Na, I ain't turning this into a Pac/Mayweather thing.

Arum got hate for Lopez-Gamboa. He got tons of hate for Pacquiao-Mosley and Pacquiao-Margarito. Constantly gets hated for putting up crappy undercard fights. Haymon isn't the first guy to get ****ted on and he won't be the last. He's the current guy because he has the largest stable and isn't doing much with them. And we as fans shouldn't be ok with it just because others have done it before him.

[Bullrider]

Fans today are no longer fans of the sport. They're fans of promoters, managers, networks. Just look at this thread. It's devoted to kissing Haymon's ass.

I probably would understand why fighters do what they do with their careers, but man what does that have to do with you as a fan?

[SeekDaGreat]

This is also incorrect. Did you forget about Matthysse vs. Molina? Was that not an exciting fight? On paper it looked like trash, but it ended up being a fight of the year candidate.

Did you forget about Guerrero vs. Kamagai? Was that not an exciting fight? On paper it looked like trash, but it ended up being a fight of the year candidate. It wouldn't win fight of the year, but it was quite a surprising fight.

Garcia vs. Herrera also happened this year, which some or many of you say is a fight that Garcia lost!

You say Haymon has been living off Matthysse vs. Garcia, but yet you forget about Broner vs. Maidana. Right? A fight where Broner, the so called future of boxing, LOST.

What about Lara vs. Canelo? I bet you didn't realise Lara is under Haymon!

Matthysse, Molina, Guerrero, Garcia, Broner, Maidana, are all under Haymon. You guys complain and b*tch waaaay too much and only see nonsense you wanna see.

So on one hand, you're openly admitting that ON PAPER (prior to a punch being thrown) most of the fights you mentioned were TRASH, to try and shut me down with "didn't they turn out to be good fights."

It's not about what they turned out to be. Hindsight of course, is 20-20.

And you say Canelo-Lara was under the Haymon banner, great. As if Canelo didn't take the high-risk low-reward fight for a greater cause, because the people wanted it.

Your whole rebuttal is garbage, and you know it.

How about back to the focal point, and giving the fans what they want. No one asked for no ****in Guerrero-Kamakazi, regardless if they turned out to be good fights.

[SeekDaGreat]

Canelo didn't always fight the best competition. He's only been doing that in the last two years since the Austin Trout fight. But prior to that, he was being accused of taking easy matches.

And you talk about fans. The big fights where big profits are made happens through the casual fans. And the casual fans have no idea what they want. They just want to see something exciting, they don't even know the difference between the fighters. All they know is the names, the fame, the popularity.

Got it, so boxing should be built on force feeding true fans **** fights, because casuals won't know the difference.

How dumb does that sound, especially to some like yourself who knows a thing or two about boxing? Those types of comments and logic should not come from someone like you.

What the **** is wrong with y'all?

Defending **** fights because of your fanaticism to who? Al Haymon? Why?

[SeekDaGreat]

Why do some of you feel the need to defend a promoter whether it's Bob Arum AlHaymon or otherwise for ****ing the fans out of great fights? That's the real question.

[mathed]

Because there contracts with Haymons say that they can't sign a promotional agreement without his consent. Thurman's and Wilders couldn't do it and Quillin couldn't sign his bout agreement without ALs consent

exactly.......Hymen already got them trapped in slave contracts.

[radioraheem]

So on one hand, you're openly admitting that ON PAPER (prior to a punch being thrown) most of the fights you mentioned were TRASH, to try and shut me down with "didn't they turn out to be good fights."

It's not about what they turned out to be. Hindsight of course, is 20-20.

And you say Canelo-Lara was under the Haymon banner, great. As if Canelo didn't take the high-risk low-reward fight for a greater cause, because the people wanted it.

Your whole rebuttal is garbage, and you know it.

How about back to the focal point, and giving the fans what they want. No one asked for no ****in Guerrero-Kamakazi, regardless if they turned out to be good fights.

On paper Lara vs. Canelo was a great match-up, but the fight was boring! Something being potentially good on paper, may have bad results. And something that looks bad on paper, may actually have good results. But the bottomline is that, those fights were actually EXCITING.

Kell Brook vs. Shawn Porter? Ooops, isn't that another Haymon guy? Before Canelo, Lara fought Austin Trout. But I guess Trout was an easy one too? Regardless, Lara (Haymon fighter) did fight Canelo.

Again, you've said nothing to rebuttal. All these fights I mentioned, many of them were exciting. None of you were even expecting Herrera to perform the way he did against Garcia. Maybe some of you aren't good at scouting as you think.

[radioraheem]

Got it, so boxing should be built on force feeding true fans **** fights, because casuals won't know the difference.

How dumb does that sound, especially to some like yourself who knows a thing or two about boxing? Those types of comments and logic should not come from someone like you.

What the **** is wrong with y'all?

Defending **** fights because of your fanaticism to who? Al Haymon? Why?

I brought that up because you seemingly don't understand that the minority of folks here who 'want' certain fights do not make up the consensus unfortunately. Many don't know the difference between a Herrera and a Salka. Both are one in the same to many.

There is no defending going on here because your attacks don't even have any basis points. It's all just crap. There were lots of solid fights that happened this year, but according to blind folks everything was bad and it's all the big bad Haymon's fault.

[Ham Porter]

The only people you ever see defending this creep are Mayweather fans, which merely illustrates that the vast majority of these bumsniffs don't actually like boxing.

[SeekDaGreat]

On paper Lara vs. Canelo was a great match-up, but the fight was boring! Something being potentially good on paper, may have bad results. And something that looks bad on paper, may actually have good results. But the bottomline is that, those fights were actually EXCITING.

Kell Brook vs. Shawn Porter? Ooops, isn't that another Haymon guy? Before Canelo, Lara fought Austin Trout. But I guess Trout was an easy one too? Regardless, Lara (Haymon fighter) did fight Canelo.

Again, you've said nothing to rebuttal. All these fights I mentioned, many of them were exciting. None of you were even expecting Herrera to perform the way he did against Garcia. Maybe some of you aren't good at scouting as you think.

You keep talking about it after the fact. I get your point, the bottom line is they turned out to be exciting. We're all thankful for that. Still didn't ask for THAT. It would have been a double slap in the face to get a fight we didn't want, and it also turned out to be a snoozer.

Example, I didn't ask for spaghetti for dinner, I didn't want it, I'm disappointed it's what was brought to me because I didn't ask for that. But hey, it turned out to be good.

Yes, Lara-Canelo was crap, but that's what the boxing world was calling for.

Brook is not a Haymon fighter, that was a mandatory. So that's out the window.

The real question is with Haymons loaded roster, why aren't these guys fighting each other? You're mentioning 1-3 fights. Over a course of a couple years.

So the bottom line really is, why aren't the fights the people want to see being made?

I guess everyone was calling for Guerrero to fight Kamegi and Mathysse to fight Molina?

Like I told someone else, no one knows who's fault it is, exactly. But we do know these are Haymons fighters, right? So who's going to be blamed for us not getting the fights we want?