Dissecting Golovkin's MW Reign

[T18Z]

£12 a month for one channel isn't a lot? Do you live in the real world?

If you pay 12 pounds a month for a boxing channel then you're a hardcore fan of boxing. You most definitely aren't casual.

"Families of a dad who watches boxing" are a ridiculously small amount of people.

Casual fans don't tune into Boxnation. It's as simple as that and definitely not to watch Golovkin fight.

Well, whatever. You can keep flip flopping on what casual/hardcore means to you. I believe Golovkin-Froch would do well in the UK, you don't, that's fine with me.

[IronDanHamza]

Well, whatever. You can keep flip flopping on what casual/hardcore means to you. I believe Golovkin-Froch would do well in the UK, you don't, that's fine with me.

Flip flopping? What exactly have a flip flopped on? My stance hasn't changed.

Golovkin is unknown in the UK outside if hardcore fans.

Boxnation is viewed by hardcore fans.

Degale is obviously a lot more known in the UK to casual audiences.

All I know is I want to live in your world where £12 a month for one channel is not a lot of money Give me directions.

[T18Z]

Flip flopping? What exactly have a flip flopped on? My stance hasn't changed.

Golovkin is unknown in the UK outside if hardcore fans.

Boxnation is viewed by hardcore fans.

Degale is obviously a lot more known in the UK to casual audiences.

All I know is I want to live in your world where £12 a month for one channel is not a lot of money Give me directions.

Flip flopping because you initially didn't even have a standard statement for what hardcore or casual was, then turning hardcore to "must be boxnation subscriber and pay £12/m".

Since you are so sure, show me the evidence he's unknown.

I never said boxnation wasn't viewed by what you'd call hardcore fans.

I never said Degale would sell less than Golovkin, I said I believe Froch-Golovkin would sell well.

Lastly, unless you work in a chip shop £12 a month for something you enjoy, regardless of how often you use it, really isn't much cash IMO. It doesn't matter anyway, subjective.

[soul_survivor]

Laughable. The man whose made his name fighting the very best in the world isn't scared of a man whose made his name fighting cab drivers.

I know, there is a very small club of top, top fighters who don't duck anyone and Froch is their president.

bernard hopkins has called out ggg on more than one occasion

why doesnt ggg or his team ever mention hopkins?

If Hopkins can beat Kovalev, then that fight could be huge if GGG was willing to go up to 168 and Hops was willing to come down. It would seal the deal on an ATG career for Hops.

During Hagglers run you didn't have a bunch a wussy's like Mayweather and Quillens running scared *****less of a fighter with power or trying to make punchers use pillow gloves

lol can't argue iwth you on that

Flip flopping because you initially didn't even have a standard statement for what hardcore or casual was, then turning hardcore to "must be boxnation subscriber and pay £12/m".

Since you are so sure, show me the evidence he's unknown.

I never said boxnation wasn't viewed by what you'd call hardcore fans.

I never said Degale would sell less than Golovkin, I said I believe Froch-Golovkin would sell well.

Lastly, unless you work in a chip shop £12 a month for something you enjoy, regardless of how often you use it, really isn't much cash IMO. It doesn't matter anyway, subjective.

I'm not convinced about the "star" status that HBO are giving to GGG but you're right, Froch v GGG would not only sell, it would be bloody massive here in the UK. Bigger than DeGale, it could be an absolute stadium filler. Not because GGG is so well known but because Froch is now an attraction to casuals AAAAND because Sky would promote the hell outa this fight.

[IronDanHamza]

Flip flopping because you initially didn't even have a standard statement for what hardcore or casual was, then turning hardcore to "must be boxnation subscriber and pay £12/m".

Since you are so sure, show me the evidence he's unknown.

I never said boxnation wasn't viewed by what you'd call hardcore fans.

I never said Degale would sell less than Golovkin, I said I believe Froch-Golovkin would sell well.

Lastly, unless you work in a chip shop £12 a month for something you enjoy, regardless of how often you use it, really isn't much cash IMO. It doesn't matter anyway, subjective.

I didn't turn anything Into anything, my stance has been the same the whole way through.

Why do I need to explain what a casual and hardcore fan is? A hardcore fan is an avid fan who follows the sport closely a casual fan is someone who doesn't really follow the sport and only knows the big names. Again why do I need to explain that?

My stance has always been that Golovkin is unknown in the UK outside if hardcore fans. That's factual, he is uknown.

You then combatted that by saying "do only hardcore fans watch Boxnation" to which the answer is obviously yes. As it's a Boxing subscription channel.

As for the last part, again, give me directions to the world you live in because clearly you don't live in the real world.

I don't know about you but I have bills to pay. My Sky bill costs 93 pounds a month, I have bills to pay, a house to pay for, phone bills, food to eat, family to provide for.

£12 a month ontop of that for one channel is a lot of money in the real world. Yes even for people who don't work in chip shops.

No causal fan is buying that channel unless they are very well off or still
Living at home with their parents.

[soul_survivor]

I didn't turn anything Into anything, my stance has been the same the whole way through.

Why do I need to explain what a casual and hardcore fan is? A hardcore fan is an avid fan who follows the sport closely a casual fan is someone who doesn't really follow the sport and only knows the big names. Again why do I need to explain that?

My stance has always been that Golovkin is unknown in the UK outside if hardcore fans. That's factual, he is uknown.

You then combatted that by saying "do only hardcore fans watch Boxnation" to which the answer is obviously yes. As it's a Boxing subscription channel.

As for the last part, again, give me directions to the world you live in because clearly you don't live in the real world.

I don't know about you but I have bills to pay. My Sky bill costs 93 pounds a month, I have bills to pay, a house to pay for, phone bills, food to eat, family to provide for.

£12 a month ontop of that for one channel is a lot of money in the real world. Yes even for people who don't work in chip shops.

I'm a student, £12 is a heck of a lot of money for me

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I'm not convinced about the "star" status that HBO are giving to GGG but you're right, Froch v GGG would not only sell, it would be bloody massive here in the UK. Bigger than DeGale, it could be an absolute stadium filler. Not because GGG is so well known but because Froch is now an attraction to casuals AAAAND because Sky would promote the hell outa this fight.

It would absolutely not be bigger than the DeGale fight.

[T18Z]

I didn't turn anything Into anything, my stance has. Even the same the whole way through.

Why do I need to explain what a casual and hardcore fan is? A hardcore fan is an avid fan who follows the sport closely a casual fan is someone who doesn't really follow the sport and only knows the big names. Again why do I need to explain that?

My stance has always been that Golovkin is unknown in the UK outside if hardcore fans. That's factual, he is uknown.

You then combatted that by saying "do only hardcore fans watch Boxnation" to which the answer is obviously yes. As it's a Boxing subscription channel.

As for the last part, again, give me directions to the world you live in because clearly you don't live in the real world.

I don't know about you but I have bills to pay. My Sky bill costs 93 pounds a month, I have bills to pay, a house to pay for, phone bills, food to eat, family to provide for.

£12 a month ontop of that for one channel is a lot of money in the real world. Yes even for people who don't work in chip shops.

I don't even know why you bother continuing this? The terms casual and hardcore are not real, they're made up, undefined, and opinion specific. The reason I got you to state yours was to show you how pointless it is to even try.

It's fine your stance is that Golovkin is unknown in the UK, but I don't think you know what factual actually means, otherwise you'd probably adjust your use of it slightly.

Also, I said I bet you believe "only" hardcore fans "watch" boxnation. I've already explained that it being subscription channel does not mean it doesn't to some extent extend to a casual audience, even if very small. You've already admitted that a very small portion of people who could be casuals can watch boxnation, so I don't know why you're bothering.

As for the last part, I said in my opinion £12/m isn't much, but I said it's subjective so doesn't really matter in the end, so again, why even bother continuing this discussion?

At least when I say something, I state it's my opinion, or that I believe in so and so, you on the other hand think it's correct to use words like factual, without actually ever having anything remotely resembling a fact. This is going nowhere, so let's leave it at that.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I don't even know why you bother continuing this? The terms casual and hardcore are not real, they're made up, undefined, and opinion specific. The reason I got you to state yours was to show you how pointless it is to even try.

It's fine your stance is that Golovkin is unknown in the UK, but I don't think you know what factual actually means, otherwise you'd probably adjust your use of it slightly.

Also, I said I bet you believe "only" hardcore fans "watch" boxnation. I've already explained that it being subscription channel does not mean it doesn't to some extent extend to a casual audience, even if very small. You've already admitted that a very small portion of people who could be casuals can watch boxnation, so I don't know why you're bothering.

As for the last part, I said in my opinion £12/m isn't much, but I said it's subjective so doesn't really matter in the end, so again, why even bother continuing this discussion?

At least when I say something, I state it's my opinion, or that I believe in so and so, you on the other think it's correct to use words like factual, without actually ever having anything remotely resembling a fact. This is going nowhere, so let's leave it at that.

What the hell are you even waffling on about?

Golovkin is on Sky anyway and he has no casual fanbase in the UK. It's as simple as that.

[IronDanHamza]

I don't even know why you bother continuing this? The terms casual and hardcore are not real, they're made up, undefined, and opinion specific. The reason I got you to state yours was to show you how pointless it is to even try.

It's fine your stance is that Golovkin is unknown in the UK, but I don't think you know what factual actually means, otherwise you'd probably adjust your use of it slightly.

Also, I said I bet you believe "only" hardcore fans "watch" boxnation. I've already explained that it being subscription channel does not mean it doesn't to some extent extend to a casual audience, even if very small. You've already admitted that a very small portion of people who could be casuals can watch boxnation, so I don't know why you're bothering.

As for the last part, I said in my opinion £12/m isn't much, but I said it's subjective so doesn't really matter, so again, why even bother continuing?

At least when I say something, I state it's my opinion, or that I believe in so and so, you on the other think it's correct to use words like factual, without actually ever having anything remotely resembling a fact.

The term casual fan and hardcore fan are not real? It's as if you're joking, but I know you're not.

They are very real. Very basic and simple things as I just explained in my
Last post.

Well yeah ok so "some" people might "watch" Boxnation maybe once or twice a year at their Aunties second cousins the point is it's extremely rare that a casual fan will be tuned into Boxnation making your point worthless.

It is factual. It's obvious and doesn't need explaining. Golovkin is unknown in the UK. Tommorow walk out into your street and ask the first 20 strangers you see if they've heard of Gennady Golovkin and see what they say.