Dissecting Golovkin's MW Reign

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  • soul_survivor
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    Dissecting Golovkin's MW Reign

    Now, I want a proper BOXING discussion, none of this fan boy crap where some people just think GGG is God and will not debate or discuss beyond that point or idiotic haters who can't see beyond racial, ethnic etc hatred.

    Now I confess, I didn't know much about GGG before his Proksa fight some 2 years ago, however I did know he was this big central Asian puncher with dynamite in both hands. What I was not prepared for was just how good he was in terms of all round ability, something that just can't be denied. He moves well, can cut off the ring, know when to throw punches and how many of them he needs to throw, rather than falling in love with his power and getting wild (see Jackson, McClelan, Benn etc).

    Having said all that, GGG has equaled Hagler's record of 12 title defences...and that's sad because Hagler's run as champion was so far superior that it's almost laughable that these two fighters, one a certified ATG and the other a champion who has only just started working his way into the upper echelons of the MW division, should ever be compared. But they will be. It's the way of the boxing press, to start calling for historical comparisons where there are none.

    He won his "championship" after Sturm was promoted to the ridiculous WBA super champion status and he won it off of a career light middleweight. But that is the way of many modern champions, however, since then, he has fought other career light middleweights, has-beens and guys who should never have gotten a title shot. Along the way he's picked up the ridiculous IBo belt.

    Since his arrival on HBO some two years ago, he has had 8 bouts, only 2 of which have come against legitimate contenders, those being Geale (former champ) and Macklin. Were Rosado and Ishida really worthy of title defences? Was Curtis Stevens, who was on the rebound of a once promising career more worthy than say...N'Jikam? That's a fight that was available and still is.

    I know QUillin doesn't look like he has the balls to face anyone with a pulse and the timing for Martinez was all wrong. It's a weak reign by a dominant fighter. The Cotto fight may happen but I think GGG needs to step it up and take no **** from his promotional team, get him Murray, N'Jikam, take a massive pay cut for Cotto, move up to 168 for Ward/Froch and not Junior.

    This is what I think anyway.
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    #2
    Originally posted by soul_survivor
    Since his arrival on HBO some two years ago, he has had 8 bouts, only 2 of which have come against legitimate contenders, those being Geale (former champ) and Macklin.

    Were Rosado and Ishida really worthy of title defences? Was Curtis Stevens, who was on the rebound of a once promising career more worthy than say...N'Jikam? That's a fight that was available and still is.
    Rosado was the only guy willing to take the fight at the time, he has to defend against someone.

    You seem pretty high on N'Jikam, too high imo. Once Golovkin connects he is done, he's a decent fighter but not one who will provide a challenge to Golovkin.

    The Cotto fight may happen but I think GGG needs to step it up and take no **** from his promotional team, get him Murray, N'Jikam, take a massive pay cut for Cotto, move up to 168 for Ward/Froch and not Junior.
    Moving up is not the best way to improve his MW reign, which is what your thread concerns.

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    • Daddy T
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      #3
      legacy wise he should definitely unify the titles before moving up. imo K2 and HBO should really push hard for cotto (even though cotto almost certainly won't fight him) but cotto could surely get 10 or 12 mill for the fight especially if GGG takes a very small amount.

      wasn't chavez offered 7 mill or something to fight GGG?

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        #4
        Originally posted by House of Stone
        legacy wise he should definitely unify the titles before moving up. imo K2 and HBO should really push hard for cotto (even though cotto almost certainly won't fight him) but cotto could surely get 10 or 12 mill for the fight especially if GGG takes a very small amount.

        wasn't chavez offered 7 mill or something to fight GGG?
        Cotto gets more money fighting Alvarez, then Mayweather. I don't expect him to fight Golovkin but he should vacate that title after May.

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        • Dr Rumack
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          #5
          I don't see any real evidence that N'Dam or Murray are better than what he's beaten.

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          • NEETzsche
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            #6
            n'jikam ducked golovkin more blatantly than anyone other than quillin and sturm

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            • Weltschmerz
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              I haven't heard any serious person say he has Hagler status (yet). Golovkin is having a great career so far and will only build his legacy if what we see continues. I think he should unify at 160 and then move up.

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              • bojangles1987
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                He's slowly but surely taking out everyone at middleweight. Don't compare him to champion Hagler, despite the belt, it's actually more accurate to compare him to pre-championship Hagler, who also spent a long time being avoided.

                Golovkin's resume is nothing special, I love the guy but I can admit that. He's in a weak division, I can admit that as well. But he's fighting the absolute best middleweights that have been willing to fight him. And slowly but surely, that competition is improving as Golovkin's fame does.

                Really looking at it, he's beating the majority of the best fighters in the division. How many other beltholders have beaten 3 or 4 of their division's 10 best fighters?

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                • bojangles1987
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                  And yeah, as mentioned not only did N'Dam duck Golovkin, I'm pretty sure he gave up his mandatory status for the WBA belt when he had to defend it against Golovkin. So no, he wasn't readily available for Golovkin to fight. Murray ducked him too, multiple times.

                  Go down the list of the 10 best middleweights in the world, and you'll probably find that Golovkin has either beaten them or been refused by them.

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                  • bojangles1987
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Dr Rumack
                    I don't see any real evidence that N'Dam or Murray are better than what he's beaten.
                    N'Dam, maybe. I'd be interested in that fight if N'Dam wants it now. Murray? Hell no. He's no better than Macklin or Geale.

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