Is Andre Ward still #P4P no.2???

[IronDanHamza]

he almost falls over after throwing his first punch...



14:00. this is a similar view to the one i had in the arena, and i remember clearly thinking it was a bad sign.


it was a hard cut, but he's not drained? he's in a chair because it was "hard for him," but he's not a drained fighter?


you've got some bias, man. it is what it is.

I actually laughed out loud at that first sentance. Do you think that was because he was drained yet didn't do it again at any other point other the very first punch? (Which is usually when a drained fighter is still ok)

Yeah, having a hard cut doesn't make you drained or dead. Diego Corrales entire 130 run was a hard cut, Mayweather's fight against Chavez was a very hard cut, obviously he wasn't drained though. Plenty of cases similar.

It's genuinely too obvious to see that Canelo wasn't drained in the fight just simply by watching it.

[New England]

brandon rios, one of the most clearly drained lightweight fighters of all time, stopping john murray late:


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xu9...n-murray_sport

[Rome-By-Ko]

So he should have walked away from a potential fight with Ward to face a no name 168lb fighter (Stevenson) or fking Tavoris Cloud...lol

If he took issues with the terms for the fight,yes he should have..I'am I bugging or what??I felt the same way for Cotto in his fight with Pac,you had an issue with the weight??Dead the f'ing fight..It's not hard to understand..Yet Cotto had no issues until his azz was beat..

[BattlingNelson]

Nelson,just stfu already..You don't agree with me,I'm fine with that..Yet if you can not provide anything factual to back up your statements..Just stfu about it then..Tired of everyone's opinions with nothing of factual value to back um up with..

Did you read the facts I posted from John Scully?

[IronDanHamza]

He clearly does..He is still trying to act as if Alvarez was not effected by the weight which is flipping crazy..Yet this is the same guy who can see from miles away that Dawson was so drained..It's comedy,he has nothing factual to prove Dawson was weight drained,and nothing factual to prove Alvarez was not..All spec and opinions..

Can you do a "What is your mental age test" and print screen it because I'm honestly very interested to see the result.

How many times do I need to clearly state that the weight definitely had some effect on Canelo? Like seriously, how many more? Can I do it all in this post? How many more times shall I type it out?

The weight I think had some effect on him, but obviously he wasn't dead at the weight.

Dawson however, I mean, that obviously doesn't need explaining.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

What is the argument now?

Is Rome-by-ko trying to say that the Canelo catchweight was the same as Dawson moving down to 168?

For the record, I think Canelo looked terrible at the weigh-in and the weight making obviously affected him.

But it's hardly comparable to the Dawson situation. The man is pretty much a career LHW and over 6ft tall and he had to drop down 7lbs....not 2lbs. It's not the same.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

If he took issues with the terms for the fight,yes he should have..I'am I bugging or what??I felt the same way for Cotto in his fight with Pac,you had an issue with the weight??Dead the f'ing fight..It's not hard to understand..Yet Cotto had no issues until his azz was beat..

Yeah sure, just turn down a fight with Manny Pacquaio....great career advice again from Rome-gets-ko'd.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Did you read the facts I posted from John Scully?

Oh you talking about Dawson's trainer??A guy paid to make excuses,that John scully??The same John Scully who said Dawson was fooling around during training and was not taking training as serious as he should??That same John scully??You don't believe that any of these things played a part tho,it was just weight??Got it..

[IronDanHamza]

brandon rios, one of the most clearly drained lightweight fighters of all time, stopping john murray late:


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xu9...n-murray_sport

Rios struggled at lightweight of course but I never thought he was dead at the weight.

He was weak against Murray for sure but I don't think he was dead at the weight.

And of course he looked much worse than Canelo in that fight with John Murray.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Can you do a "What is your mental age test" and print screen it because I'm honestly very interested to see the result.

How many times do I need to clearly state that the weight definitely had some effect on Canelo? Like seriously, how many more? Can I do it all in this post? How many more times shall I type it out?

The weight I think had some effect on him, but obviously he wasn't dead at the weight.

Dawson however, I mean, that obviously doesn't need explaining.

Alvarez was slow and could not even put punches together..Come on bro..He did not look good or like his reg self at all..

Again,your trying to categorize it..When it's both just an advantage and bad..If you feel like that state it and leave it alone..