Is Andre Ward still #P4P no.2???

[BattlingNelson]

Wow,so it's an opinion that Dawson agreed to the fight terms??Oh and..

You are consistingly missing the points by a mile. Dan has explained it to you in ways that should be understandable for thirdgraders. And he has done so about a dozen times. I bear no hope that if I explained it you'd understand because based on the evidence, logic and reason presented in this thread by Dan primarily, it is safe to say that you will never understand.

[New England]

It's quite a common term.

Yeah like I said Rios definitely struggled badly with Lightweight although I do think it's overstated. He's no where near Dawson level and obviously how Canelo was.



No just looking at the fight you can see the weight had a big effect on his performance but he wasn't dead there.




Hmm, I'm not so sure. Like I said yes he definitely had big problems making that weight but he's no where near Dawson's level at 168 which naturally he isn't going to be considering the circumstances of the two.

we were talking about alvarez at 152 vs mayweather, not dawson at 168 vs ward. he's more drained than alvarez, and he had a "good tenth round."

having a good tenth round isn't impossible when you're drained, and i've clearly illustrated that.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

That's is always an option..Cotto had a better option then most,you not paying Cotto less then a mill to fight..Dude has a big fan base and brought a lot to the table..so did Dawson,quick question..Without Dawson who was Ward going to fight??Exactly,he was in the same fuccking boat as Dawson..ward just knew his worth,while Dawson did not..

I really don't know where to start with this post. So much ******ity. Fighters don't tend to walk away from the biggest paydays of their career to fight for a far less money. Does this need to be explained to an actual human being?

Ward had the Bute fight at 168 which could have been one of the biggest money fights in the sport at the time. He had the Froch rematch after he blitzed Bute. 168 is a much more loaded division than 175. Ward had just won the Super Six and signed a lucrative deal with HBO. He was clearly the a-side.

Oh and you just said Dawson had a big fan base

[IronDanHamza]

we were talking about alvarez at 152 vs mayweather, not dawson at 168 vs ward. he's more drained than alvarez, and he had a "good tenth round."

having a good tenth round isn't impossible when you're drained, and i've clearly illustrated that.

When I say "Drained" I mean to the extreme I.e Dawson against Ward.

If by drained you're saying that he had a hard time making weight then yes I entirely agree with you that that is very likely the case.

The point I'm making it he wasn't absolutely dead at the weight like Chad Dawson was.

[Rome-By-Ko]

If Dawson won, he'd need to be healthy so yeah obviously, but he wasn't healthy.

The rest of your post just seems like you're trying to be ironic I know you aren't and you're being serious but I can't help but point that out.

The rest of my post only sounds like that to you cause you don't deal in facts..Your a very opinionated fellow,it's cool..Yet you've not used one factual thing to back up ya claims..

You say Alvarez was not drained,yet others feel he was..It's nothing more then opinions,your failing to see ya opinions don't mean much..Hell we all have opinions bro,but fact's are what any good argument should be build on..don't lose tho's..

The sec half of my post was all facts,and instead of saying,oh they sound ironic..try looking at them and understanding that all those things happen,why knock a guy who is just doing his job..

oh and if Dawson was not going to be healthy he should not have took the fight..Just saying..

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Again,a ****** response to a ****** azz question..everything else seems pretty spot on tho..

Dawson agree,Dawson was confident,Dawson said he was prepared..Had Dawson won every single person(including you)would have giving him credit for it..So I don't agree that Ward should have anything taken from him for doing his job..This **** is so simple,it truly is..

Uh yeah cos it would have been impressive if Dawson could go down 7lbs to a weight class he hadn't campaigned at in years and knock off the top guy at that weight class.

It's nowhere near as impressive as Ward beating a guy who moved down well below his natural weight.

They are two different scenarios. If Forfarna had beaten Stevenson last night, he'd have gotten much more credit than Stevenson is currently getting for beating him.

Again....does this need to actually be explained to a functional human being?

[Rome-By-Ko]

I really don't know where to start with this post. So much ******ity. Fighters don't tend to walk away from the biggest paydays of their career to fight for a far less money. Does this need to be explained to an actual human being?

Ward had the Bute fight at 168 which could have been one of the biggest money fights in the sport at the time. He had the Froch rematch after he blitzed Bute. 168 is a much more loaded division than 175. Ward had just won the Super Six and signed a lucrative deal with HBO. He was clearly the a-side.

Oh and you just said Dawson had a big fan base

I never said Dawson had a big fan base..I said Cotto brought something to the table(a big fan base)and Dawson brought something to the table as well..He was a legit opponent..

fighters don't tend to walk away from big paydays,does that mean it never happens??

Froch was not fighting Ward again(Ward did not wanna leave home),and after Bute was dominated by Froch that fight had loss it's shine..

so again,who was Ward going to fight??

[IronDanHamza]

The rest of my post only sounds like that to you cause you don't deal in facts..Your a very opinionated fellow,it's cool..Yet you've not used one factual thing to back up ya claims..

You say Alvarez was not drained,yet others feel he was..It's nothing more then opinions,your failing to see ya opinions don't mean much..Hell we all have opinions bro,but fact's are what any good argument should be build on..don't lose tho's..

The sec half of my post was all facts,and instead of saying,oh they sound ironic..try looking at them and understanding that all those things happen,why knock a guy who is just doing his job..

oh and if Dawson was not going to be healthy he should not have took the fight..Just saying..

This is what I'm talking about

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I never said Dawson had a big fan base..I said Cotto brought something to the table(a big fan base)and Dawson brought something to the table as well..He was a legit opponent..

fighters don't tend to walk away from big paydays,does that mean it never happens??

Froch was not fighting Ward again(Ward did not wanna leave home),and after Bute was dominated by Froch that fight had loss it's shine..

so again,who was Ward going to fight??

Ok cool if you wanna pretend that 175 is as loaded as 168 then sure. Not to mention fighters moving up from 160. Ward had just signed a contract with HBO, he was getting paid well regardless of who he was fighting. Dawson was the B-side, that's why he was paid less.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Uh yeah cos it would have been impressive if Dawson could go down 7lbs to a weight class he hadn't campaigned at in years and knock off the top guy at that weight class.

It's nowhere near as impressive as Ward beating a guy who moved down well below his natural weight.

They are two different scenarios. If Forfarna had beaten Stevenson last night, he'd have gotten much more credit than Stevenson is currently getting for beating him.

Again....does this need to actually be explained to a functional human being?

So your now comparing Dawson winning to that of Forfarna winning..Your a moron..I posted in this thread,another thread where people were excited for this fight,and nobody was talking about weight..Please stop with the fuccking ****** comparison already..