Is Andre Ward still #P4P no.2???

[IronDanHamza]

he sat on a f#cking chair at the weigh in. this is a 23 year old pro athlete. he doesn't need a chair if he's not drained. what is not registering?

He could easily have sat in a chair because the weight was tough for him. There's a high chance it wasn't an easy weight cut for him.

But watch the fight and what is not to register? What signs did he show of a drained fighter?

[Rome-By-Ko]

No I understand Dawson is to blame. Stated that in the thread numerous times.

What you're failing to comprehend is that it being his fault doesn't change the fact that he was dead at the weight.

You consider that credit worthy because it was his fault. I don't.

And I know he's ranked #2. He shouldn't be but hey, what can I do?

Back to speculation I see..

[IronDanHamza]

Back to speculation I see..

No I've watched the fight.

I can use my eyes.

[BattlingNelson]

If your detracting from him,and saying your not counting his victory over Dawson(which is ******ed based on the fact you would have counted a win for Dawson over Ward),then your hold something against Ward..That again Ward had nothing to do with..He did not request that Dawson meet him at 168lb,he excepted a challenge that was issued to him at the weight..

That post is a candidate for the most ****** post you've made in this thread.

You are saying that I wouldn't credit Ward for a win over Dawson which you claim is ******ed BECAUSE I would have given Dawson credit had he won!

Unbelieveable.

YES I would have given Dawson credit. Had he won he'd be given major props. Beating a p4p fighter in that fighters hometown and going down to a weight he hadn't fought at in years would have been a major achievement.

That is perfectly consistent with not giving Ward any special credit for beating a severely drained Dawson. It's not rocketscience. It's basic ABC.

[New England]

No it's not.



How can a drained fighter have his most energetic and active round in the 10th? Defies all logic. Like, watching the fight it's clear as day the guy isn't drained. He hasn't even made that excuse himself.

for starters, i've seen that fight plenty. i was there.


he was fighting a guy in his mid 30's at the end of a nearly 50 fight boxing career. more goes into having an "energetic and active round" than your level of fitness / health. your opponent being 37 has something to do with it.


you're clearly biased, man. that's really all i can say about it.


i know dawson was drained against ward, and i have no objections to people detracting some from the win because of that. i also know alvarez was drained against mayweather, and have no issues saying that.

[IronDanHamza]

for starters, i've seen that fight plenty. i was there.


he was fighting a guy in his mid 30's at the end of a nearly 50 fight boxing career. more goes into having an "energetic and active round" than your level of fitness / health. your opponent being 37 has something to do with it.


you're clearly biased, man. that's really all i can say about it.


i know dawson was drained against ward, and i have no objections to people detracting some from the win because of that. i also know alvarez was drained against mayweather, and have no issues saying that.

I know you've seen the fight.

No, no it doesn't A drained fighter doesn't have strong rounds late. It's not possible. As in, literally.

It's pretty abundantly clear when watching the fight that Canelo wasn't drained.

Was the weight a struggle? Very high possibility. Was he drained or dead at the weight? Obviously not.

[New England]

He could easily have sat in a chair because the weight was tough for him. There's a high chance it wasn't an easy weight cut for him.

But watch the fight and what is not to register? What signs did he show of a drained fighter?

he almost falls over after throwing his first punch...



14:00. this is a similar view to the one i had in the arena, and i remember clearly thinking it was a bad sign.


it was a hard cut, but he's not drained? he's in a chair because it was "hard for him," but he's not a drained fighter?



you've got some bias, man. it is what it is.

[Rome-By-Ko]

That post is a candidate for the most ****** post you've made in this thread.

Nelson,just stfu already..You don't agree with me,I'm fine with that..Yet if you can not provide anything factual to back up your statements..Just stfu about it then..Tired of everyone's opinions with nothing of factual value to back um up with..

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Dawson should have just offered Stevenson the fight right of the back..Or just fought Cloud,why would he lower himself and take the **** end of the stick??He had just won,a career defining fight against B-Hop..It made no sense,yet it was still his decision..Ward should not take any bashing for it..

So he should have walked away from a potential fight with Ward to face a no name 168lb fighter (Stevenson) or fking Tavoris Cloud...lol

[Rome-By-Ko]

he almost falls over after throwing his first punch...




you've got some bias, man. it is what it is.

He clearly does..He is still trying to act as if Alvarez was not effected by the weight which is flipping crazy..Yet this is the same guy who can see from miles away that Dawson was so drained..It's comedy,he has nothing factual to prove Dawson was weight drained,and nothing factual to prove Alvarez was not..All spec and opinions..