If Rigondeaux was a welterweight, could he outbox Mayweather?

[damit305]

[QUOTE=Sugar Adam Ali;14348394]Jmm was doomed no matter what,, his style is tailor made for Floyd,, broner just ****** and had no business being in vs a real welter

The notion that JMM was doomed is hilarious.

Marquez probably understood that facing off vs the top two guy in the sport wouldn't bode him well. A small, unready, flabby, deficient Marquez was offered a fight with Floyd coming out of retirement. (Which looked spectacular btw, no ring rust whatsoever)

JMM chose a path in his career which was Pac. New improved Marquez vs New improved Floyd would have been interesting though.

[dan_cov]

ya'll said he wouldn't fight madonna after he worldstarred p4p lil bro. ya'll said he was shook of madonna power and now he bout to school his azz

ya'll said TBE wouldn't fight the iron willed Wartiz - He is a southpaw just like Rigo with heart and 10 times the viciousness

ya'll guys are just mad haters. he ain't picking nobody he make a poll to prove it. rigon such a bum his name not even make the poll

money may da best, TBE, P4P #1, another $100 down the drain




TMT!

[Sugar Adam Ali]

[QUOTE=damit305;14348428]

Jmm was doomed no matter what,, his style is tailor made for Floyd,, broner just ****** and had no business being in vs a real welter

The notion that JMM was doomed is hilarious.

Marquez probably understood that facing off vs the top two guy in the sport wouldn't bode him well. A small, unready, flabby, deficient Marquez was offered a fight with Floyd coming out of retirement. (Which looked spectacular btw, no ring rust whatsoever)

JMM chose a path in his career which was Pac. New improved Marquez vs New improved Floyd would have been interesting.

Give me jmm on his best night, juiced to he gills, and Floyd would still own him,,, jmm excels vs aggressive guys like manny, Diaz, katsidis, but struggles anytime he faces a boxer like Barrera casamoyer, john, Floyd is a nightmare for jmm no matter what version of jmm... Even jmm knows it, hence why he has no interest in Floyd rematch when asked about it after stopping manny, even though it's his biggest payday and a chance for a welter title

[Rome-By-Ko]

I wanna see Rigo move up anyway..I think he's a good fighter,I need to see a bit more tho..I really think it's time to start to move up..

[A-Wolf]

Jmm was doomed no matter what,, his style is tailor made for Floyd,, broner just ****** and had no business being in vs a real welter



Vald points about jmm being slow.. For the record rigo would be more competitive vs Floyd than jmm was

I just feel that Floyd is more versatile and has always excelled vs guys that look to counter him because he leaves little or no openings to counter

Corley and Judah seemed to be able to time Mayweather relatively easily with hard, damaging counterpunches from the outside. I'd expect Rigo to have the same success and more. It was necessary for Floyd to open up in both of those fights and apply pressure to regain the upper hand. That's key. It seems plausible a true counter puncher like Rigondeaux could cause Mayweather all sorts of problems in transition if he tried to make a similar adjustment and try and come inside on Rigo to try and wrest back control.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Corley and Judah seemed to be able to time Mayweather relatively easily with hard, damaging counterpunches from the outside. I'd expect Rigo to have the same success and more. It was necessary for Floyd to open up in both of those fights and apply pressure to regain the upper hand. That's key. It seems plausible a true counter puncher like Rigondeaux could cause Mayweather all sorts of problems in transition if he tried to make a similar adjustment and try and come inside on Rigo to try and wrest back control. He might even make him look bad. We'll never know of course..

Judah and Corley each landed one good shot,, and what were the scores of those fights,, Floyd dominated them.. I'm sure rigo would be able to land the occasional shot vs Floyd, but I highly doubt he would be effective enough over 12 rounds to out point Floyd,,

[radioraheem]

Floyd has fought hand picked opposition for ages.

You seriously think that reach was not an issue, then you have clearly never been without a mile of an actual ring.

A fighter with a 67" reach who has made a career as an outside counter puncher, is going to have problems with a fighter with a 72" reach who has made a career as an outside counter puncher.

I mean seriously????

Marquez wasn't jabbing short because he couldn't get inside Floyds range at all was he? And before you get into all OH THAT WAS JUST FLOYD BEING AMAZING. Floyd could have not moved an inch and that punch would have still come up short.

The irony of you mentioning reach is that Rigo would be disadvantaged to Floyd in that regard. Floyd would have the reach advantage in a fantasy match-up.

And the other irony of you talking about this is that Rigo has an even shorter reach than Marquez!

[!! Shawn]

Give me jmm on his best night, juiced to he gills, and Floyd would still own him,,, jmm excels vs aggressive guys like manny, Diaz, katsidis, but struggles anytime he faces a boxer like Barrera casamoyer, john, Floyd is a nightmare for jmm no matter what version of jmm... Even jmm knows it, hence why he has no interest in Floyd rematch when asked about it after stopping manny, even though it's his biggest payday and a chance for a welter title

Marquez didnt struggle with Casamayor...

Funny you bring that up though, you do realize that Marquez was 3 fights separated from 128lb right?

Marquez has made a career out of being the foil to Pacquiao, he has struggled with everyone else, which really gives all of your arguments significantly less credence.

A career 126lber who moved up to chase Pacquiao, not because he grew out of any of the weights... oh... yeah... and his next fight after Floyd was at 135lb... oh wait... you mean he kept fighting at 135lb until gasp... he moved up to fight Pacquiao again?

The Marquez fight was always indefensible.

[!! Shawn]

The irony of you mentioning reach is that Rigo would be disadvantaged to Floyd in that regard. Floyd would have the reach advantage in a fantasy match-up.

And the other irony of you talking about this is that Rigo has an even shorter reach than Marquez!

Are you ****** dude? The idea of the thread is IF THEY WERE THE SAME SIZE! Not. "If you made Rigo eat a lot and put a 5'4 122lber in with Floyd... Although that is basically the same thing as the Marquez fight.

[joseph5620]

Marquez didnt struggle with Casamayor...

Funny you bring that up though, you do realize that Marquez was 3 fights separated from 128lb right?

Marquez has made a career out of being the foil to Pacquiao, he has struggled with everyone else, which really gives all of your arguments significantly less credence.

A career 126lber who moved up to chase Pacquiao, not because he grew out of any of the weights... oh... yeah... and his next fight after Floyd was at 135lb... oh wait... you mean he kept fighting at 135lb until gasp... he moved up to fight Pacquiao again?

The Marquez fight was always indefensible.

Marquez wanted the fight and he fought at the weight again. So no, it is not indefensible.