If Rigondeaux was a welterweight, could he outbox Mayweather?

[!! Shawn]

How on earth can rigo be winning this poll, yet if you look at p4p lists hardly anyone has rigo ahead of Floyd...

Rigo is a great counter puncher but he will look about as good as jmm did vs Floyd..
Counter punchers is a tailor made style for Floyd

You are a taylor made idiot. Marquez primary problem was reach. The question is if size where equal, Size was not equal between Floyd and Marquez, Marquez has the frame of a little man beefed up with muscle.

[!! Shawn]

I don't get it....

Rigo, like jmm or James toney live off countering guys, yet Floyd like a Roy jones will minimize the chances for a counter and won't be there to be hit...
Counterpunchers always struggle with movers that don't give them openings for the counters.
Floyd won't give rigo the openings he needs to be successful

Haha, and what do you think Rigo will do? His defense is statistically BETTER than Floyds, and Rigo IS the mover out of the two.

[!! Shawn]

Eh.. Floyd can stand and defend in the pocket when he needs to. Against a volume power puncher not so smart.. but against a guy who throws one significant punch at a time its more effective. He has a sneaky right hand out of the shoulder roll.. he has the check hook.. and he has tricky tie up tactics to make space for short shots inside. El Chacal's southpaw stance would give fits.. he'd even land some straight lefts I bet.. but Floyd would eventually adjust and start timing and countering a Rigo that is more comfortable defending against a chasing aggressor.

Its actually the other way around, its better to stay in the pocket with someone who is throwing because they are predictable, when you can predict what someone is doing, you can negate it easily.

Pick and chose fighters are guys you want to keep your distance from and only stay in punching range when you want to work your own offense, because there is no real rhythm to their punch output, so its much easier to be caught off guard.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Haha, and what do you think Rigo will do? His defense is statistically BETTER than Floyds, and Rigo IS the mover out of the two.

Statically better,,,, wtf is that even mean...

Rigo has fought 2 guys in his career,,,

Floyd has fought championship level fighters since 1998

If rigo so good defensively how come he has been dropped a few times,, remind me again when someone knocked Floyd down with a punch..

Rigo the mover,, please name the fight where he didn't stand in the middle of the ring, but moved around and dissected someone with counters and jabs... Can you name that fight..

Laughable if you think reach was jmm problem vs Floyd... It's the fact that he counterpunches,, you need someone there to counter, Floyd ain't gonna stand there and be countered...

[gauze]

i dont think it would be close because of rigo's height/reach. if he was good on the inside, maybe. for me, that's the one thing missing from his game. i think he's better suited to mid-range and on the outside. those distances won't benefit him against a guy like mayweather. in-fighting could be something that improves with time as he becomes more acclimated to the pros, we'll see.

i think a more realistic match-up is rigo vs 130lb mayweather

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Marquez suffered the same fate Broner did by jumping to 2 classes to 147. Not everyone is Duran. Divisions are there for a reason.

Jmm was doomed no matter what,, his style is tailor made for Floyd,, broner just ****** and had no business being in vs a real welter

Rigo is tremendously athletic with very quick feet. Perhaps you're not considering that? JMM is one of the slowest, least fleet footed elite fighters in the game. His hands are unbelievable but he's virtually immobile. BIG factor when you're having a discussion about the Mayweathers and Rigondeauxs of the world.

Vald points about jmm being slow.. For the record rigo would be more competitive vs Floyd than jmm was

I just feel that Floyd is more versatile and has always excelled vs guys that look to counter him because he leaves little or no openings to counter

[gauze]

also, i know the OP said if they were the same size etc, but i think when you change a fighters reach and height, they arent gonna fight the same way. after all, we have weight classes, not height classes.

it's like saying what if paul williams was morphed into a heavyweight frame fighting a heavyweight of equal size. he would have a totally different style. like he wouldnt be throwing 100 punches per round.

[!! Shawn]

Statically better,,,, wtf is that even mean...

Rigo has fought 2 guys in his career,,,

Floyd has fought championship level fighters since 1998

If rigo so good defensively how come he has been dropped a few times,, remind me again when someone knocked Floyd down with a punch..

Rigo the mover,, please name the fight where he didn't stand in the middle of the ring, but moved around and dissected someone with counters and jabs... Can you name that fight..

Laughable if you think reach was jmm problem vs Floyd... It's the fact that he counterpunches,, you need someone there to counter, Floyd ain't gonna stand there and be countered...

Floyd has fought hand picked opposition for ages.

You seriously think that reach was not an issue, then you have clearly never been without a mile of an actual ring.

A fighter with a 67" reach who has made a career as an outside counter puncher, is going to have problems with a fighter with a 72" reach who has made a career as an outside counter puncher.

I mean seriously????

Marquez wasn't jabbing short because he couldn't get inside Floyds range at all was he? And before you get into all OH THAT WAS JUST FLOYD BEING AMAZING. Floyd could have not moved an inch and that punch would have still come up short.

[Grimgash]

At 147 Mayweather is a bigger puncher and Rigo would definitely lose some speed and power and probably not take shots as well at the higher weight. Mayweather wins because he is more complete (fights better on the inside, better at initiating offense from distance) and would cut the ring off if he pressed the action and land the stronger more effective shots on the inside. If his jab causes Rigo to have to chase him around it will be an easy UD and possible stoppage. If he chases Rigo than I think a tough decision.

At 130 Floyd definitely too much for Rigo. Too fast and slick and wayyyyyy too strong. Floyd stoppage no matter how the fight plays out.

He's being super hypothetical here...like if he kept every assest he has at 122 and magically became 147. Same speed, same power, same movement....it's just not going to happen. Its like damn this minimum guy was fast what if he was magically 6'7 270 with all the speed and power he has at minimum it's just not logical.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Floyd has fought hand picked opposition for ages.

You seriously think that reach was not an issue, then you have clearly never been without a mile of an actual ring.

A fighter with a 67" reach who has made a career as an outside counter puncher, is going to have problems with a fighter with a 72" reach who has made a career as an outside counter puncher.

I mean seriously????

Marquez wasn't jabbing short because he couldn't get inside Floyds range at all was he? And before you get into all OH THAT WAS JUST FLOYD BEING AMAZING. Floyd could have not moved an inch and that punch would have still come up short.

I have boxed for many years in the army and amateurs... Reach is always good to have, but it wasn't the difference maker vs jmm... Reach can be effective vs lesser guys the way wlad uses it, but vs a rigo, Floyd, Hopkins, ward caliber fighters,reach is not gonna bail you out... I think rigo is an average sized bantam and Floyd average size welter, so it they met in some fantasy fight I think the reaches would be pretty similar and not a huge factor.. I just think the fight would be a snoozer with Floyd out pointing rigo, much like how Roy out pointed toney, by pot shoting single punches and not leaving openings for rigo to counter...