If Rigondeaux was a welterweight, could he outbox Mayweather?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I think a prime Casamayor would have beaten Marquez.

That is quite possible, I also believe casamoyer would have given Floyd a tough time at 130 or 135, I think Floyd would beat him but it would be a stiff challenge.
I always thought Barrera should have beaten jmm had the kd been scored.

My bad, way to catch on a typo that makes your point look even worse, a career 126lber.

The Casamayor fight still wasn't a dog fight, it was actually quite boring, Marquez had trouble getting off because of Casamayors reach early, but Casamayor was far enough past it that once he got going he stopped him.

That fact that Marquez is troubled by range, cough cough Chris John, gives more weight to the Marquez had trouble with floyd because of reach thing.

It was a very tactical high speed chess type fight, not really a dogfight, that probably wasn't the most accurate description.
Your point about reach is a valid one but I don't think that's why Floyd beat jmm. In the john fight you are correct, johns work rate and reach stifled a lot of jmm attack

[QUOTE=damit305;14348487]

Is Floyd also juiced to his gills or not? lol. You can make a case that JMM struggled with most of those styles.

Do you think JMM circa 2010-12 vs Chris John would have had any issues? Probably not. An argument can be made that Marquez could have made a second Floyd fight more competitive.

He may have won 3 or 4 rounds instead of 0,1 or 2

Do you think I'm trying to argue that Corley may have won? Floyd had to turn it into a sloppy, aggressive fight to gain the upper hand. He had to apply pressure. Guess what would happen if he tried that **** with Rigo.

But that just shows Floyd's versatility, when need be he can change up styles and win fights.. Vs rigo he wouldn't need to be aggressive, he would just sit outside and circle rigo, pot shoting him to death and being very wary of getting into exchanges with rigo... I do believe rigo is one of the fees guys that could get the better of Floyd in exchanges, but I Floyd won't give him the opportunities.
I will be the first to admit that if Floyd tries being aggressive and walking rigo down, rigo will make him pay and win, I just don't see Floyd being aggressive

[!! Shawn]

Same size as in weight, but in relative terms. Height and weight can be the same. Making reach exact is ****** though.

Making them the same hight would more than likely make them the same in reach, and Rigo has really long arms for his size. I just did the math, scaling Rigo up to Floyd's Height, there would be less than an inch between them in reach.

[!! Shawn]

That is quite possible, I also believe casamoyer would have given Floyd a tough time at 130 or 135, I think Floyd would beat him but it would be a stiff challenge.
I always thought Barrera should have beaten jmm had the kd been scored.


It was a very tactical high speed chess type fight, not really a dogfight, that probably wasn't the most accurate description.
Your point about reach is a valid one but I don't think that's why Floyd beat jmm. In the john fight you are correct, johns work rate and reach stifled a lot of jmm attack

I wouldn't even call Casa vs Marquez high speed chess, it was just a frustrating fight to watch because Casa was too old to capitalize on any mistakes by Marquez, and Marquez was finding it very difficult to find his range, so they were just throwing lots of short punches all night, and Casa would be slow to counter with is dulled reflexes.

It made for a close fight on the score cards, but not a particularly difficult one where Marquez was ever in danger of losing.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Making them the same hight would more than likely make them the same in reach, and Rigo has really long arms for his size. I just did the math, scaling Rigo up to Floyd's Height, there would be less than an inch between them in reach.

So the reach either way really wouldn't be a factor in the fight

[Loque-san]

That is quite possible, I also believe casamoyer would have given Floyd a tough time at 130 or 135, I think Floyd would beat him but it would be a stiff challenge.
I always thought Barrera should have beaten jmm had the kd been scored.

I don't think they were at 135 at the same moment.

At 130 it would have been a close fight. I could see a MD/SD for Floyd.

[!! Shawn]

So the reach either way really wouldn't be a factor in the fight

Which is the whole point. You pointed to Marquez as an example of how Floyd would beast Rigo because Marquez is a "counter-puncher",which is a very simplistic view of Marquez style btw, when in reality Marquez had problems with his severe reach deficit, where he was unable to establish his range.

I say it is a simplistic view of Marquez style, because he is really a fighter who uses his jab to draw offense from you where he can capitalize on his accurate punching and fluid combinations to win in the exchange, which is why he has problems with fighters who wont exchange with him like John and Floyd.

John and Floyd wouldn't exchange because they had that reach advantage, so they kind of tie together, but he is really not the kind of classic counter puncher that everyone makes him out to be.

Rigondeaux on the other hand, on a level playing field size wise with Floyd wouldn't be at a disadvantage in that way, and has no problem throwing zero punches in a round if you throw zero punches at him.

You are not going to force him into being the aggressor, ever. He would win those rounds too, because he does enough posturing to give the appearance of control.

So that leaves Floyd in the position of having to establish the appearance of control of the fight, and that will require coming forward and creating openings to be hit.

Cotto while on the small side reach wise, is the last person to have real skills to be in the ring with Floyd and be close in size parity. Floyd got touched up quite badly in that fight.

Also look back to the Judah fight for some stylistic elements that troubled Floyd. one of the biggest obstacles Floyd had with judah for the first 4 rounds (the only relevant rounds as Judah fell apart mentally after 4 rounds in every fight back then) was that short hook that he kept getting tagged with. Rigo loves that shot, and he uses it to turn you and put you out of position.

This fight would be a great fight and one that I would favor Rigo to come out on top of.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

I don't think they were at 135 at the same moment.

At 130 it would have been a close fight. I could see a MD/SD for Floyd.

2003 I'm pretty sure they wer both at 135,, casamoyer fought corrales and Floyd was defending vs Sosa and ndou.. I'm about 75% sure

[Cinci Champ]

this may be the most boring fight of all time lol. floyd would win easy imo. floyd is too complete of a fighter. his range would give him problems, especially given that this would be a glorified fencing match. and i could also see him bring back the left hook and land it constantly

to talented to be boring

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Which is the whole point. You pointed to Marquez as an example of how Floyd would beast Rigo because Marquez is a "counter-puncher",which is a very simplistic view of Marquez style btw, when in reality Marquez had problems with his severe reach deficit, where he was unable to establish his range.

I say it is a simplistic view of Marquez style, because he is really a fighter who uses his jab to draw offense from you where he can capitalize on his accurate punching and fluid combinations to win in the exchange, which is why he has problems with fighters who wont exchange with him like John and Floyd.

John and Floyd wouldn't exchange because they had that reach advantage, so they kind of tie together, but he is really not the kind of classic counter puncher that everyone makes him out to be.

Rigondeaux on the other hand will throw zero punches in a round if you throw zero punches at him, and not care.

You are not going to force him into being the aggressor, ever. He would win those rounds too, because he does enough posturing to give the appearance of control.

He won't do enough posturing to out point Floyd... That may work vs guys like agebako, I just don't see Floyd getting outpointed by rigo over 12 rounds..
I see the fight being a snoozed with neither guy being aggressive but Floyd will do just enough from the outside pot shoting to take most rounds with rigo winning at least 4 rounds maybe more but Floyd catching him at least once with a quick shot that drops rigo with a flash knockdown, and Floyd would win 115-112 twice and one judge having it 114-113 floyd

[Manboyeatme]

Everyone thinks a fighter has a good style against mayweawther... untill he adjust and then everyone calls it a cherry pick.