What makes Hagler greater than De La Hoya??

[The Gambler1981]

I bet on Tito.

Had my money going the other way...

Until the cards were called.

Can we agree that DLH resume had a pretty remarkable list of fighters on it?

i'd hope so

Win them all?

No.

Nobody does.

The funny shit aside, DLH fought just about anybody you can name.

Big brass ones.

I really got nothing but love for Oscar, he had a hell of a career and outside of those final four Tito rounds (which I am sure haunt him to this day) he has nothing to really be ashamed of.

[joseph5620]

Those are end of the year rankings and not at the time of the fight.





He was suppose to fight Tszyu if he would of won. Oh well!

@ lost to Whitaker. I don't have to be a DLH fan to even see Whitaker lost that one. It was a good fight, one of Whitaker's underrated fights IMO.






DLH may of ran the last couple of rounds vs Trinidad but it doesn't take away the boxing lesson he gave him. But Trinidad got the win. You win some, you lose some.

Let's not even get on the wrap scandal please cause that's another thread. One that many people(since you love public opinion debates) think Trinidad himself is a cheater.

No, they are the same ratings. One ranking is from 96 before the fight in 1997. Whitaker certainly didn't get any better at that stage of his career. He was declining.

There was no period at the time of that fight where these ratings were any different. Delahoya was the favorite and considered higher pound for pound over Whitaker for obvious reasons.

If you can prove otherwise, now is the time to do it.

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th...r_Pound--1990s

[The Gambler1981]

If you watched those 3 fights there was no way you were thinking Whitiker was the favorite over Oscar I was like 15 and I knew that. The first Rivera fight was a terrible performance while the second wasn't much better, and Hurtado was alright and he managed to pull it out of the fire but he looked terrible in that fight.

He was looking pretty ripe, and really by the way he performed no matter how poor Oscar looked they were correct.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Even McGirt showed better technique against a fresher Pernell Whitaker than Oscar. That was still a close one that could have gone to Whitaker, and what's saddening is that Whitaker fooled around that night, I don't see how that's a testament to Oscar's "greatness". I used to be an irrational fan of Oscar's too

[MrRolltide91]

Funny thread

[Doctor_Tenma]

Think about it, every Pernell Whitaker defense highlight is filled with the Oscar fight, get real.

[RubenSonny]

Even McGirt showed better technique against a fresher Pernell Whitaker than Oscar. That was still a close one that could have gone to Whitaker, and what's saddening is that Whitaker fooled around that night, I don't see how that's a testament to Oscar's "greatness". I used to be an irrational fan of Oscar's too

Oscar going southpaw and getting dropped was so embarrassing

[The Gambler1981]

Oscar did look horrendous in that fight, having watching the Rivera and Hurtado fights made it almost embarrassing to watch

[Stanly Ketchel]

MMH cut his teeth and did most of his damage during the days of same day weigh ins. In addition, the sanctioning bodies did not even have belts until the mid 80's for SMW, the WCB first one being in 1988. So, he could really only go to 175 to "move up", he did what he had to, was professional, destroyed, dominated his weight. Oscan challenged himself too but he had title fights at a way younger age, more belts to chose from (i.e. WBO), and was the goldey boy and fought for his first title very early, sallowing him to collect "world titles", Hagler came up the hard way and had 50 fights before he got a title shot!

[Mr.Fantastic]

Yes he caught them when they were over the hill. No better than Hatton's win on Tsyzu. Vargas was a seller, but resume wise pretty average. Gatti too.

Pac
Mayweather (on Oscar's terms)
Hopkins
Trinidad

Ill be fair and not count Mosley due to roids i mean how would we know.

Nuthugging debunked.

Nothing debunked? You mentioned big fights, I proved you wrong. You then try to move the goal post.

It's a fact because look at his last 3 fights. I'm going to assume you've seen those.

Hurtado and Riveria are fringe contenders and that's at very best and he looked literally absolutely terrible in all three of those fights.

He wasn't praised so highly at the time. He was highly ranked because he still managed to just about hang on to his Lineage he was knocked down a few places P4P due to his poor performances but still on the list because he managed to sc**** three W's which all easily could have been L's.

Whilst still a good win, Whitaker was obviously well passed it, and declining fast.




I don't see the relevance.

Even if they were better names they aren't better wins than Hearns was for Hagler.



Hearns wasn't at his best weight I've never said he was but was a legit MW and in the prime of his career.

Yes I saw those and a lot from Whitaker before. He went in there to do what he had to do. Looking terrible is completely over exaggerated, more like not looking his best with the rank he had at the time.

Yes he was and no he was not well passed it. Which brings me up again the same question/logic from before about the current greats/good boxers on the P4P great like Pac/Marquez/Martinez being beaten. So no credit should be given to the people that beat them? You're applying the same logic with DLH vs Whitaker. Hell Whitaker at that time compared to these guys looked better.

Right but it wasn't a big fight on the scale of things.

Hence why you didn't mention it in your post.

It wasn't a big fight at all.

It wasn't a mega fight but it was a big fight. You know Mexican Americans amount for a huge amount of boxing fans, so yea it was a big fight.
DLH vs Ruelas was like Canelo vs Trout.

No, they are the same ratings. One ranking is from 96 before the fight in 1997. Whitaker certainly didn't get any better at that stage of his career. He was declining.

There was no period at the time of that fight where these ratings were any different. Delahoya was the favorite and considered higher pound for pound over Whitaker for obvious reasons.

If you can prove otherwise, now is the time to do it.

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Th...r_Pound--1990s

Ratings change during the months dude. Either way, let's say they didn't change like you said, he's still a very very credible win. Let's not forget Whitaker's experience vs Oscar's which was a huge difference.

Oscar going southpaw and getting dropped was so embarrassing

Getting dropped against an ATG is embarrassing? Well I'll be damned!