Is Roy Jones in the top 20 all time great?

[BoxingGenius27]

@ Sugar Adam Ali

Just because you say "I'm not trying to discredit Roy" after you discredit him, doesn't take away from the fact that you're still discrediting him.

Virgil - Too old, but you're not trying to discredit Roy

Hopkins - Not ready

Toney - over weight, but this is the same over weight guy that defeated Nunn which is who you're saying Roy should've fought instead

Griffin - B level fighter

McCallum - Too old. You're not discrediting Roy, but McCallum's too old.

Somehow out of all the discrediting of his resume, Frankie Liles and Michael Watson/Nunn would've somehow made things right in your eyes. Lol forget the Hall of famers/ ATG's Roy beat, we're talking Nunn and Liles makes it right

That's just the resume, not even talking about how you're discrediting his skill level right now... But I guess as long as you say "I'm not trying to discredit Roy" that takes away from the fact that you're still discrediting.

[!! Shawn]

Obviously you have only watched Floyd since about 2007 and never watched him throw combos vs guys at 130 and 135 and 140,,,, once Floyd's athletic explosiveness declined, he switched to a more measured attack, much like Hopkins did,, they fell back on good footwork, defense and jabs to control fights something Roy couldn't do
Much like how when Michael Jordan got older, he rarely dunked as much and relied on his fade away jumper more and more,,, and guys like Dominique Wilkins and Vince carter are done was they lose the spring in their step...

OH YOU MEAN WHEN HE WAS YOUNG AND IN HIS PRIME? Yeah keep holding Roy to one standard and Floyd to another.

You act like Roy fell apart at 28... Dude was untouchable until he was 34. As in there was not a single person who was competitive until he was 34... can you say that for Floyd? Nope!!

[Big_L]

Sugar a Floyd fan?

and he wants to talk bad about somebody elses resume....

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Well then why not compare Charles to Robinson who had a longer career. You seem to think it fine to compare Robinson to Jones.




He is shot because he got old and was burnt out, that's why he continued getting his ass beat. Fundamentals do exist but they are very basic and Roy has them, boxing has never been taught in a textbook.

Robinson is the goat, and was only mentioned because you asked me to list guys
He really has no use for my arguements, and your right a Charles and robinson are much more comparable, that's why I keep using Floyd and Hopkins because they are from the same era as jones

Sugar a Floyd fan?

Come on, Ruben,,, you should know me better than that..I'm a fan of the sport, not of individual fighters, they all have pros and cons,,,
Just depends on thread... If this was a Roy is overrated thread I would be defending him, making a strong case about why he is atg,,,, but in a top 20 atg thread I would have to argue against it... I have Roy top 50 but not 20, and his resume is the major issue I have
As for Floyd I think he is a great fighter as well with a better resume but head to head I think Roy does him like he did Hopkins and toney but a lot closer

[Sugar Adam Ali]

@ Sugar Adam Ali

Just because you say "I'm not trying to discredit Roy" after you discredit him, doesn't take away from the fact that you're still discrediting him.

Virgil - Too old, but you're not trying to discredit Roy

Hopkins - Not ready

Toney - over weight, but this is the same over weight guy that defeated Nunn which is who you're saying Roy should've fought instead

Griffin - B level fighter

McCallum - Too old. You're not discrediting Roy, but McCallum's too old.

Somehow out of all the discrediting of his resume, Frankie Liles and Michael Watson/Nunn would've somehow made things right in your eyes. Lol forget the Hall of famers/ ATG's Roy beat, we're talking Nunn and Liles makes it right

That's just the resume, not even talking about how you're discrediting his skill level right now... But I guess as long as you say "I'm not trying to discredit Roy" that takes away from the fact that you're still discrediting.

OH YOU MEAN WHEN HE WAS YOUNG AND IN HIS PRIME? Yeah keep holding Roy to one standard and Floyd to another.

You act like Roy fell apart at 28... Dude was untouchable until he was 34. As in there was not a single person who was competitive until he was 34... can you say that for Floyd? Nope!!

So your saying griffin was an A level hof caliber fighter

That mccallum was prime and not a 42 year old jr mid

That toney was in great shape

And I never said Hopkins was green or too early,, all I ever said about that was Hopkins at the time was a philly club fighter and it wasn't a big fight when it was made, looking back it's a great win

Floyd has had one close fight with Castillo, one time, then clearly beat him in the rematch,,

and he wants to talk bad about somebody elses resume....

I have shredded Floyd's resume many times when people say he is the goat or top 10 atg

So basically based on beating toney and Hopkins roy is top 20 atg,,, I don't think he is

[BoxingGenius27]

So your saying griffin was an A level hof caliber fighter

That mccallum was prime and not a 42 year old jr mid

That toney was in great shape

And I never said Hopkins was green or too early,, all I ever said about that was Hopkins at the time was a philly club fighter and it wasn't a big fight when it was made, looking back it's a great win

Floyd has had one close fight with Castillo, one time, then clearly beat him in the rematch,,



I have shredded Floyd's resume many times when people say he is the goat or top 10 atg

So basically based on beating toney and Hopkins roy is top 20 atg,,, I don't think he is

Put it like this, a 42 year old McCallum, over weight James Toney as you put it, Bernard Hopkins that RJJ fought the first time, Montell Griffin (who beat Toney x2) and an old ass Virgil Hill all schit on cracked out Michael Nunn, Franklie Liles, and the Chris Eubank/Steve Collins you wanted Roy to fight....

Are you happy now?

[Big_L]

I have shredded Floyd's resume many times when people say he is the goat or top 10 atg

So basically based on beating toney and Hopkins roy is top 20 atg,,, I don't think he is

you got floyd or chavez in your top 20? who did they beat that were better?

[!! Shawn]

So your saying griffin was an A level hof caliber fighter

That mccallum was prime and not a 42 year old jr mid

That toney was in great shape

And I never said Hopkins was green or too early,, all I ever said about that was Hopkins at the time was a philly club fighter and it wasn't a big fight when it was made, looking back it's a great win

Floyd has had one close fight with Castillo, one time, then clearly beat him in the rematch,,



I have shredded Floyd's resume many times when people say he is the goat or top 10 atg

So basically based on beating toney and Hopkins roy is top 20 atg,,, I don't think he is

Da ***? I have said this over and over again, but you aren't the brightest, so here it is again...

Roy Jones at his best was unbeatable.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

you got floyd or chavez in your top 20? who did they beat that were better?

Both somewhere around 20ish...

Toney and Hopkins probably are the 2 best fighters on the resumes, but it's just hard to rank someone so highly off 2 wins,, Chavez and Floyd don't have as high profile win but have a lot more depth and had many more bigger fights.. It's like jmm has the greater win by ko over manny, but I couldn't rank him over say arguello
Frazier has a win over the great Ali,,, better than any of joe Louis wins but your not going to put Frazier over Louis..

Look, I'm not hating on roy,, just pointing out why he isn't top 20 atg... Top 50 lock, just not 20.... I think the only thing that holds him back is resume,

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Da ***? I have said this over and over again, but you aren't the brightest, so here it is again...

Roy Jones at his best was unbeatable.

We'll thats your opinion, but can't you say that about every great fighter