Vitali's mythical poor resume pt 2

[KBRO]

Lewis didn't avoid Ruiz. You're repeating something you've heard with no context. Lewis in fact tried to make that fight. It was a classic Don King play.

Ruiz had been maneuvered into a WBA mandatory for doing, well, not much. There was a stip in the Holyfield contracts saying the WBA mando would get next crack but, after Holy II, the mando was Akinwande. Lewis signed to fight Grant because, well, did you see Henry I. Akinwande couldn't fight anyways with Hepatitis so the WBA used some formula (details escape) to come up with a new mando.

Holy was their guy on formula.

That wasn't going to work.

So they reprocessed again and came up with Ruiz. Lewis appealed to the WBA and said he was fine with Ruiz after the Grant fight. The WBA said okay. Ruiz could have had the slot after Grant, which ultimately was Botha.

King and Ruiz took it to court and had Lewis stripped instead. King, one could make an easy argument, preferred having control of a belt in a division where he was suddenly outside looking in versus putting Ruiz, who would have been a monster underdog, in with Lewis.

Smart move. The facts don't bear out what you're saying though. They instead point to Ruiz avoiding Lewis.

The Byrd thing was interesting. Steward indicated Lewis wasn't interested in Byrd because there was no money or competitive interest but, legend has it, King till ultimately gave Lewis a huge dollar amount and maybe a car to get him to vacate the IBF belt. Who knows if he fights him otherwise. Probably not. I wouldn't call it avoiding as much as not caring about Byrd much at all. The window for the fight was very small too. Lewis fought only once more and then went to go enjoy the fruits of his labors. Not much of a miss.

Interesting twist there.. so Don King was involved & influential in some of Lewis's refusal to keep his belts intact.. even if folklore is correct .. where's the integrity in NOT keeping all the belts he had unified? Fact doesn't change that he avoided fighting each mandated titlists... the excuse for Byrd & Ruiz was no one wanted to see it & everyone bought it knowing full well he was the dominant champion.... everyone wanted to see the rematch with Klitschko & again he bailed... that's 3 top 10 ranked & eventual long reigning titlists he wound up NOT fighting when he was mandated to do so by those organizations.

[KBRO]

Brock? You obviously don't even know what you're talking about here, but let me give you a real breakdown of Vits last 10 opponents.

Charr - Never beat a top 10 rated fighter
Chisora - 17 fights ad a win over a 16 fight novice who was hurt and somehow ranked because of the poor state of the division.
Adamek - Had only 5 fights at heavyweight, beat one top 10 who had beaten no top 10 fighters. Has since inly beaten one other top 10 fighter who is a former cruiserweight.
Solis - 17 fights no top 10 wins before or after.
Briggs - hadn't won a top 10 fight in 4 years and clearly far beyond his best days.
Sosnowski - Never beat a top 10 fighter before or since.
Johnson - Never beat a top 10 fighter before or since.
Arreola - had never beat a top 10 fighter and has since only beaten one who most say didn't deserve to be ranked.
Gomez - Another former cruiser. Decent win for Vits though. At least Gomez beat a couple rated guys....has done nothing since though.
Peter - went life and death with a fat former middleweight and had two other top 10 wins. Easily the best win for Vits out of this lot. Hasn't beaten another top 10 fighter since and had crude skills at best.

Do I really need to continue destroying your ridiculous claims? This lot has a combined 10 wins before and after Vits against top 10 comp in a reasonable amount of time.

Did Brock fight again after Klitschko knocked him out? I haven't heard his name since. Obviously you didn't understand what I stated. Most of these fighters if not all.... were introduced to there first beatdowns & or lopsided defeats of there careers at the hands of the Klitschko brother's... following this most of them were never the same fighters & encountered mediocrity... they certainly weren't as good as they were (whatever that was) pre Klitschko.

1) Chisora... ktfo by Haye

2) Charr.. so far is the same mediocre fighter he was before (i'll give you that)

3) Adamek.... certainly not as good.. winning shady deciosions & going life & death with fighters post Klitschko

4)Solis.... not as dominant as before fighting stiffs from overseas (so far all 4 fighters received there worst defeats all by Vitali Klitschko)

5)Briggs.... same retirement home sheltered by Lewis.

6)Sosnowski... first ko defeat at the hands of Vitali

7) Johnson..... first loss & lost all 12 rds.. then went on to lose to Fury

8)Areolla... first ko loss... tears may fall.... & has lost twice since .

9)Gomez.... second loss & worst beating of his career.. hasn't done much since.

10)Peter.... only one loss before knocking down his brother three times prior.... gets stopped. & has been futile since.. getting beat by ordinary fighters.

So that makes it 6 fighters out of 10 that suffered there first stoppage to Vitali. 4 suffered there first loss. 3 suffered there second defeat.

ALL 10 fighters suffered there worst defeats to Klitschko prior to fighting him (Briggs got the beatdown of his life for 12 rds & therefore my opinion is it's worse than what Lewis did to him) Now what type of coincidence is there here that all 10 fighters TASTED there worst defeats ever at the hands of Klitschko? Peter & Briggs were both in there with several alltime greats prior yet Vitali thoroughly disposed of them NOT even giving them a single rd to be scored on there behalf.

[JAB5239]

It's one thing to piss on Vitali, and a whole other thing to piss on Jack Johnson.


Mabe you never saw the picture of Vitali standing against the military for his people because he believes in somthing more than just himself. He's one of the baddest boxers ever, a real champion. I wish you could respect that friendo.

I do respect him. Head to head he'd be a beast in ANY era. What I've said though about him (and Johnson) I've proved repeatedly in this thread and many others. It isn't hate just because its factual. The only disdain I have is for those who overrate him and lie and twist things trying to prove it.

[JAB5239]

Did Brock fight again after Klitschko knocked him out? I haven't heard his name since. Obviously you didn't understand what I stated. Most of these fighters if not all.... were introduced to there first beatdowns & or lopsided defeats of there careers at the hands of the Klitschko brother's... following this most of them were never the same fighters & encountered mediocrity... they certainly weren't as good as they were (whatever that was) pre Klitschko.

1) Chisora... ktfo by Haye

2) Charr.. so far is the same mediocre fighter he was before (i'll give you that)

3) Adamek.... certainly not as good.. winning shady deciosions & going life & death with fighters post Klitschko

4)Solis.... not as dominant as before fighting stiffs from overseas (so far all 4 fighters received there worst defeats all by Vitali Klitschko)

5)Briggs.... same retirement home sheltered by Lewis.

6)Sosnowski... first ko defeat at the hands of Vitali

7) Johnson..... first loss & lost all 12 rds.. then went on to lose to Fury

8)Areolla... first ko loss... tears may fall.... & has lost twice since .

9)Gomez.... second loss & worst beating of his career.. hasn't done much since.

10)Peter.... only one loss before knocking down his brother three times prior.... gets stopped. & has been futile since.. getting beat by ordinary fighters.

So that makes it 6 fighters out of 10 that suffered there first stoppage to Vitali. 4 suffered there first loss. 3 suffered there second defeat.

ALL 10 fighters suffered there worst defeats to Klitschko prior to fighting him (Briggs got the beatdown of his life for 12 rds & therefore my opinion is it's worse than what Lewis did to him) Now what type of coincidence is there here that all 10 fighters TASTED there worst defeats ever at the hands of Klitschko? Peter & Briggs were both in there with several alltime greats prior yet Vitali thoroughly disposed of them NOT even giving them a single rd to be scored on there behalf.

What does it mattered how bad they got beat when they never proved they were that good to begin with or like Briggs was years past his best? Its like putting a major league pitcher and putting him against high school kids. Should we declare him the greatest ever because he struck them all out? This was a garbage response my man...you gotta do better.

And Brock never fought Vits. This isn't a thread about Wlad so your point is irrelevant.

[KBRO]

What does it mattered how bad they got beat when they never proved they were that good to begin with or like Briggs was years past his best? Its like putting a major league pitcher and putting him against high school kids. Should we declare him the greatest ever because he struck them all out? This was a garbage response my man...you gotta do better.

And Brock never fought Vits. This isn't a thread about Wlad so your point is irrelevant.

I mentioned Brock as at the time I was talking about both Klitschko's. It's a garbage response because you don't want to acknowledge it in the accurate manner... They're all professionals & all ranked... therefore your analogy is a bit exaggerated don't you think.

Ok... let me put it to you another way.. do you honestly believe most if any of the past greats would've completely annihilated these fighters in such a lopsided manner?


Your focus is in how shetty these fighters are... i'm telling you they're not as shetty as you portray... it's Klitschko that's making them look this bad.... this is a factual occurrence while your inquiry is more based in opinion

[JAB5239]

I mentioned Brock as at the time I was talking about both Klitschko's. It's a garbage response because you don't want to acknowledge it in the accurate manner... They're all professionals & all ranked... therefore your analogy is a bit exaggerated don't you think.

Ok... let me put it to you another way.. do you honestly believe most if any of the past greats would've completely annihilated these fighters in such a lopsided manner?


Your focus is in how shetty these fighters are... i'm telling you they're not as shetty as you portray... it's Klitschko that's making them look this bad.... this is a factual occurrence while your inquiry is more based in opinion

My bases is on them never having beaten more than ten top 10 fighters before or after Vits, combined! Its impossible to determine how good a fighter is unless he's fighting other good fighters Anybody can build a glossy record fighting second rate fighters. Take Deontay Wilder for instance He's got a pristine record. Even has a 1st round ko over a former heavyweight titlist. If he retires tomorrow do we call him one of the best from this era? Or do we more accurately say he never fought anyone good to truly evaluate how good he was? Lets not make exceptions because you want Vits comp to be better than they've proven. Were they horrible (LaMar Clark style), no? Do they make for a poor resume though? Hell yes!

[Weltschmerz]

What are you implying here?

That Vitali was ready to fight on and that he would have stopped Lewis if being allowed to do so.

[JAB5239]

That Vitali was ready to fight on and that he would have stopped Lewis if being allowed to do so.

Pffft! He was getting thumped at that point and it only would have gotten worse as the cut got worse. Funny he was going to fight on against Lewis but quit against Byrd.


:bukkake:

[BattlingNelson]

That Vitali was ready to fight on and that he would have stopped Lewis if being allowed to do so.

Does it matter? He was stopped according to the rules of boxing.

[Weltschmerz]

Does it matter? He was stopped according to the rules of boxing.

Well fighters have had worse injuries and completed the fight. Don't be so stiff in your attitude.