Vitali's mythical poor resume pt 2

[KBRO]

And he hasn't gotten in the ring with any fighter even remotely close to being as good as Frazier.....let alone fighting the real Heavyweight champion.

Vitali can't fight himself so that renders your post null & void.... & if you're saying Frazier is better than Lewis.. no comment.


Well now lets see, I happen to have Vitali's list of fights right here......Nope! No Wlad Klitschko there.

Try again Junior.

You have two alltime greats in this era that can't fight each other... deal.

[Poet682006]

You have two alltime greats in this era that can't fight each other... deal.

Then your two heroes don't have ATG resumes.....deal

[KBRO]

Come on man, of it weren't for the Klits Sam Peter would have been an ATG!

Exactly.... all of there opponents stock would've been elevated.... you're in the right direction.

[Dr.Eisenfaust]

Lol you guys are morons!

They have similar hooks. Peter is just slower and hits a little bit harder. Their offensive styles are indeed a quite similar. Frazier weaves a lot because he is faster.

That doesn't change my mind : Frazier wouldn't beat either Klitschko or even David Haye.

It's extremely hard to compare the old generations with the current one in terms of athleticism and physique.

Ali was considered as a big heavyweight. Today , even Haye who is considered as one of the smallest heavys is bigger than Ali.Vitali, Wladimir, Tyson Fury, Tony Thompson, Robert Helenius, David Price, Lennox Lewis would be considered as giants at his time.

I dare you to give me one fighter of Frazier's era that fought until his 40's and was still in an amazing shape such as Vitali Klitschko. Or at least give me some fighters, Foreman not mentioned ( eventhough foreman struggled after his comeback), that fought at an elite level in their 40's .

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Ok, this thread has gone absurd,,,

comparing peter to frazier,,, OMG WTF

Vitali is a really good fighter,, i have never seen him beaten decisively in almost 2 decades,,,,

The thing that hurts vitali is that he retired at the start of his stardom.... had he beaten rahman in 05 and maybe toney and ruiz, and never retired he would be held in higher regard,,,

I think Vitali is one of the top 15 heavys ever,,,,,,,, he has a granite chin and even in his 40s i couldnt name one fighter today that would beat him.....

do i think he is as great as ali, foreman, holyfield, lewis,, no, but he is just behind them..

people that think vitali is a bum- have no boxing knowledge

Vitali would crush dempsey, marciano, norton, probably tyson and frazier as well

[KBRO]

Then your two heroes don't have ATG resumes.....deal

First off.. it's an impossibility... they're more likely going to get in the ring with JACK Johnson from the 1800's than each other.. so penalizing fighters for something that is beyond there control is not conducive to a real boxing debate... you're basically penalizing both Klitschko's for NOT getting in the ring with all past former greats & NOT penalizing the past greats for not getting in the squared circle with them.... this is what you are essentially saying but can't seem to grasp it.

Secondly.. every boxing heavyweight era has had NO MORE than two or 3 alltime greats in one setting..... before the brothers.. there was Lewis.. Holyfield.. Tyson & Bowe... & let's say OLD George but not all in the same yrs being dominant at the same time... before that you had ONLY Holmes for a decade in the 80's... Ali... Foreman & Frazier manned the 70's.. before that Liston & perhaps Patterson... then you had Marciano as the only great.. unless you consider Walcott or some other name as great as Marciano.


& finally (as that's as far as I care to go) Louis for a decade & change dominating...... the Klitschko brothers are EQUAL to all these former greats in terms of stature & tenure but your warped logic & resume enhancements won't allow you to see them as such... they are doing the same EXACT things former champs before them have done but are ridiculed because of whom they are dominating... these opponents aren't nearly as poor as you make them out to be but this fits your agenda.. all you see are two brothers that are making every opponent completely & utterly useless.


Vitali Klitschko has faced one alltime great & PROVED beyond a shadow of doubt he belongs in the same ring with another top5 to top 10 alltime heavy but we all dismiss this fact & focus on the incredible fight ending that left everyone from Lewis & Klitschko fans with nonconclusion... Vitali Klitschko is an alltime great that has done MORE than a dozen things no other heavyweight champion has ever been able to do for an entire career & Wladimir Klitschko has proven his dominance as well.. for NEARLY 10 yrs we haven't seen a Klitschko lose in the ring.. come on now!

[Poet682006]

First off.. it's an impossibility... they're more likely going to get in the ring with JACK Johnson from the 1800's than each other.. so penalizing fighters for something that is beyond there control is not conducive to a real boxing debate... you're basically penalizing both Klitschko's for NOT getting in the ring with all past former greats & NOT penalizing the past greats for not getting in the squared circle with them.... this is what you are essentially saying but can't seem to grasp it.

Secondly.. every boxing heavyweight era has had NO MORE than two or 3 alltime greats in one setting..... before the brothers.. there was Lewis.. Holyfield.. Tyson & Bowe... & let's say OLD George but not all in the same yrs being dominant at the same time... before that you had ONLY Holmes for a decade in the 80's... Ali... Foreman & Frazier manned the 70's.. before that Liston & perhaps Patterson... then you had Marciano as the only great.. unless you consider Walcott or some other name as great as Marciano.


& finally (as that's as far as I care to go) Louis for a decade & change dominating...... the Klitschko brothers are EQUAL to all these former greats in terms of stature & tenure but your warped logic & resume enhancements won't allow you to see them as such... they are doing the same EXACT things former champs before them have done but are ridiculed because of whom they are dominating... these opponents aren't nearly as poor as you make them out to be but this fits your agenda.. all you see are two brothers that are making every opponent completely & utterly useless.

Vitali Klitschko has faced one alltime great & PROVED beyond a shadow of doubt he belongs in the same ring with another top5 to top 10 alltime heavy but we all dismiss this fact & focus on the incredible fight ending that left everyone from Lewis & Klitschko fans with nonconclusion... Vitali Klitschko is an alltime great that has done MORE than a dozen things no other heavyweight champion has ever been able to do for an entire career & Wladimir Klitschko has proven his dominance as well.. for NEARLY 10 yrs we haven't seen a Klitschko lose in the ring.. come on now!

:jerk0ff9: When you get finished servicing your Vitali blow-up doll please try making a post with some factual substance instead of propaganda for your man-crush.

PS. And post it under your real account instead of your sock-puppet alt.

[Jedi Vader]

They have similar hooks. Peter is just slower and hits a little bit harder. Their offensive styles are indeed a quite similar. Frazier weaves a lot because he is faster.

That doesn't change my mind : Frazier wouldn't beat either Klitschko or even David Haye.

It's extremely hard to compare the old generations with the current one in terms of athleticism and physique.

Ali was considered as a big heavyweight. Today , even Haye who is considered as one of the smallest heavys is bigger than Ali.Vitali, Wladimir, Tyson Fury, Tony Thompson, Robert Helenius, David Price, Lennox Lewis would be considered as giants at his time.

I dare you to give me one fighter of Frazier's era that fought until his 40's and was still in an amazing shape such as Vitali Klitschko. Or at least give me some fighters, Foreman not mentioned ( eventhough foreman struggled after his comeback), that fought at an elite level in their 40's .

[KBRO]

Vits resume is about a 4 out of 10. Slightly below average, but down right awful if you're arguing he's an ATG. ].

All you have to do is see what his opponents accomplished before and after fighting him...and the answer to that is [I]not much[/I



Almost every single opponent of there's accomplished MORE fighting others before they stepped in with a Klitschko & accomplished MORE fighting others after they fought a Klitschko with a few rare exceptions..... that's your true tale of the tape.. right there

[Dr.Eisenfaust]

Coming from you, I take it as a compliment. Cheers!