Is Danny Garcias resume now better then Hattons?

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  • IronDanHamza
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    #41
    Originally posted by LacedUp
    I didn't mean the actual importance or quality of the win, more the situation. There's no denying a win over Mayweather would stomp any win over Tszuy.

    I agree, but I would still count it as better than Matthysse.



    I don't think so at the moment. Hatton has 2-3 more quality wins than Garcia. But i'm sure he'll get there.
    Does he though?

    Hatton has Tszyu which is obviously his best win. Then he's got Malignaggi, Urango, Collazo, Lazcano?

    Garcia's list of Khan, Matthysse, Judah, Morales (Atleast same level as Urango), Holt is at least comparable.

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    • revs1227
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      #42
      **** a resume prime hatton stops garcia
      what a war tho

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        #43
        Originally posted by AntonTheMeh
        i don't agree with that either. half retired means he had one foot out the door. he got injured preparing for the mitchell rematch, then rematch and bat mitchell, fought hatton and retired. all I'm saying and in prime lucas matthysse is fairly close to kostya at that point.
        I don't think so at all. A prime Lucas barely beat a 2010 version of Zab "Chicken Dance" Judah.

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          #44
          I gotta say Garcia is building up a quality resume. I wanna see him against Thurman, Broner, Guererro, maybe even Ortiz. Good fights to be made

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            #45
            Originally posted by revs1227
            **** a resume prime hatton stops garcia
            what a war tho
            i think it depends on the ref. garcia and tony weeks are a deadly combo. anything goes. hatton and his ref in the tsyzu fight are close in corruption.

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              #46
              Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK
              I don't think so at all. A prime Lucas barely beat a 2010 version of Zab "Chicken Dance" Judah.
              That fight was something to back up the thought of Lucas' power being overrated.

              He can punch most definitely but if you're an aggressive, come forward power puncher and you're letting Judah see the distance then I think there's question marks.

              He knocked Peterson out but Peterson's chin is not great at all.

              Colin Hart said on the Boxnation build up shows that "Peterson has never been knocked down let alone knocked out and Matthysse knocked him out in 3 wounds (Not a typo)"

              You'd think guys like this would watch fights.

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                #47
                Originally posted by MrTambourineMan
                Better start overrating Danny now so when the Floyd fight is signed he can be passed off as a legitimate opponent.
                After a few wins at 147 he would most definitely be a legit opponent

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                • AntonTheMeh
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                  #48
                  Originally posted by LacedUp
                  Eh no? And he never was? I've never rated him, he doesn't have any legitimately top wins on his resume, so how can he be a top fighter? He's been dropped multiple times before, lost and drawn with Ortiz. His best win was Victor Cayo. I don't believe for a second he beat Khan, and even if he did, he needed the judges help and the referees. So no, he's not a top fighter.
                  well then i suppose it's all relative at that point. I'm not going to pretend i cared that much for peterson as a fighter. a lot of people rated that's my point.


                  Listen, I'm not taking any credit away from Danny. I thought Matthysse would probably win too. But either way, he's not nearly as proven as Tszuy was at the time, and it was a bigger upset when Hatton won against the p4p #3 in the world. Peterson is not top as in elite. He's a top 5-7 guy in the 140 division in my opinion, no more.
                  i agree that kostya was more proven. he's a hall of famer, but in terms of career trajectory, i think hatton caught kostya at a better time then it seemed danny caught matthysse.

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                  • LacedUp
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                    #49
                    Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                    Does he though?

                    Hatton has Tszyu which is obviously his best win. Then he's got Malignaggi, Urango, Collazo, Lazcano?

                    Garcia's list of Khan, Matthysse, Judah, Morales (Atleast same level as Urango), Holt is at least comparable.
                    Depending on how you think Castillo was for the fight you may want to include him as well.

                    Judah and Morales - no. Way past anything that even resembled their best. Especially Morales. Judah did put up a good fight as he usually does, but still.

                    I think Khan is Garcia's best win (on merit) and believe he was a bigger underdog for that fight than for this one, Matthysse would be comparable to someone like Urango, but may just edge it. Malignaggi, Collazo, Castillo were champions, so far ahead of especially Holt who let's be honest, is a gatekeeper.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Dirk Diggler UK
                      I don't think so at all. A prime Lucas barely beat a 2010 version of Zab "Chicken Dance" Judah.
                      a prime kostya got ko'd by vince phillips. what's your point?

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