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  • 4Corners
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    #201
    Originally posted by El Angel
    You like to point out WHEN you beat someone is just as important as who. Quintana was a skilled WW who had just beat Joel Julio and then went to defeat Williams afterwards, he never looked the same after getting blitzed in the rematch.

    That Foreman win is underrated, he was coming off a schooling of Santos for his title and a lot of people picked him to beat Cotto. Cotto schooled and stopped him.

    Nobody is on here arguing, Cotto fans included, that Cotto is the level of fighter Mayweather or Pacquiao. Does his popularity cause him to get overrated? Of course, same as when people say Floyd or Pacquiao are the GOAT. The consensus seems to be he's not quite at their level, but he's at a higher level than most fighting today.
    Only reason anyone was picking Foreman was either A: They're delusional Cotto haters or B: They thought Cotto might not comeback a decent fighter after taking the Pacquiao beating.

    Man I said Quintana was an average win, it was. He was barely ranked at 147 at the time, simply because he beat a prospect in Julio at the time. Great win I guess.

    Like I said, when you have to start grasping for Quintana, Paulie, and Foreman as some of his Top 5 wins, you know a resume is weak given the hype Cotto got.

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    • BoxingGenius27
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      #202
      I guess it's shame on Cotto then.

      Maybe if he didn't fight Margarito in 08, declined to fight Pac in 09 and retired before the Floyd fight, he'd go out undefeated and be mentioned as one of the ATG's of this era.

      I mean why not, he fought everyone else

      The only other guys that he could've fought that TS mentioned, were the same tier of opponents that he "did" fight.

      Damn Cotto, you fcuked up by fighting everyone. Lesson learned here

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        #203
        Originally posted by BoxingGenius27
        I guess it's shame on Cotto then.

        Maybe if he didn't fight Margarito in 08, declined to fight Pac in 09 and retired before the Floyd fight, he'd go out undefeated and be mentioned as one of the ATG's of this era.

        I mean why not, he fought everyone else

        The only other guys that he could've fought that TS mentioned, were the same tier of opponents that he "did" fight.

        Damn Cotto, you fcuked up by fighting everyone. Lesson learned here
        No. I just feel like it looks bad in the end that he only beat one title holder, 3 of his titles were vacant titles, he only beat like 5-6 guys that were in the Top 10 at the time in any division. That's all.

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          #204
          Originally posted by 4Corners
          No. I just feel like it looks bad in the end that he only beat one title holder, 3 of his titles were vacant titles, he only beat like 5-6 guys that were in the Top 10 at the time in any division. That's all.
          No worries, I understand.

          He shouldn't have fought the plasterman in 08, declined to fight Pac in 09, opting to fight Kermit "leap frog" Cintron instead and retired last year before the Floyd fight.

          Again, he fought everyone else he was supposed to fight. That would've been a story tale ending for Miguel.

          I admit it, he fcuked up. I with you bruh

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            #205
            Originally posted by BoxingGenius27
            No worries, I understand.

            He shouldn't have fought the plasterman in 08, declined to fight Pac in 09, opting to fight Kermit "leap frog" Cintron instead and retired last year before the Floyd fight.

            Again, he fought everyone else he was supposed to fight. That would've been a story tale ending for Miguel.

            I admit it, he fcuked up. I with you bruh
            Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, that definitely applies to you homie.

            Cintron had at least beaten an Angulo at 154, which was a decent win. Embarrassing or not, what the hell did Yuri Foreman do to be considered a good win.

            Again, no one was asking for him to fight Mayweather, Hatton, Harris, or just about anyone else actually ranked in the Top 10 at 140, or Lara, Molina, Angulo or anyone ranked in the Top 10 at 154 in 2011, so it's not like Cotto ducked anyone. But it still doesn't change the fact there were better fights out there than unproven fighters at 140 or guys like Mayorga in 2011.

            I don't even dislike Cotto, that's the funny thing. He never ducked anyone but it doesn't stop his resume from having 3 wins above average.

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              #206
              Before I forget, keep in mind, DLH wouldn't even fight Cotto around the time he fought Mayweather, citing "He vowed to his wife to never fight a Puerto Rican" as the reasoning.

              Oh well, there's another impossible win for Cotto being that his ticket to big time wouldn't even fight him. Although, I must say, Floyd greatly benefited off the DLH victory around this same time and rightfully so

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                #207
                Originally posted by El Angel
                Also a Mosley coming off beating Fernando Vargas twice and schooling Collazo, who had just got robbed against Hatton. Timing
                Mosley looked sensational against Vargas and Collazo. Cotto edging out Mosley is a great win for anyone to have.

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                  #208
                  Originally posted by Madjab
                  Mosley looked sensational against Vargas and Collazo. Cotto edging out Mosley is a great win for anyone to have.
                  Agreed. It's his best win.

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                    #209
                    Originally posted by 4Corners
                    Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, that definitely applies to you homie.

                    Cintron had at least beaten an Angulo at 154, which was a decent win. Embarrassing or not, what the hell did Yuri Foreman do to be considered a good win.

                    Again, no one was asking for him to fight Mayweather, Hatton, Harris, or just about anyone else actually ranked in the Top 10 at 140, or Lara, Molina, Angulo or anyone ranked in the Top 10 at 154 in 2011, so it's not like Cotto ducked anyone. But it still doesn't change the fact there were better fights out there than unproven fighters at 140 or guys like Mayorga in 2011.

                    I don't even dislike Cotto, that's the funny thing. He never ducked anyone but it doesn't stop his resume from having 3 wins above average.
                    Floyd didn't fight not one guy on your list that you're asking Cotto to fight though, except for Hatton a few months before he was "SUPPOSED" to fight Cotto. Why didn't Floyd or anyone else for that matter fight all these guys you're saying Cotto should've fought?

                    Floyd fought once a year for almost the last 5-6 years in which he didn't even fight in 08. While you're holding Cotto to these ridiculously high standards, he was getting his brains beat out by plasterman while Floyd was chillin in the Ba***** sippin dacqueries.

                    Just be consistent 4Corners. You can't re-write history.

                    That's like me saying, "why didn't Floyd fight Williams instead of a blown up Marquez"?

                    Hell, I can go a step further and say why didn't Floyd fight all the JMW's you mentioned instead of fighting the "slightly above average Cotto" as you put it?

                    Why not fight Martinez who offered to fight him at 154 countless times instead of fighting a 4 year past prime Cotto who hasn't been the same since Plasterman got a hold of him in 08?

                    See what I did there? See how easy that was?

                    That's bullschit logic, but that's the logic you're using.

                    Just stop

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                    • Madjab
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                      #210
                      Originally posted by 4Corners
                      Agreed. It's his best win.
                      Definitely.

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