Miguel Cotto's opponents

[4Corners]

Paulie Malignaggi and Carlos Quintana were better fighters than guys like Robert Guerrero, Arturo Gatti, Genaro Hernandez, Emanuel Agustus and Carlos Baldomir

Paulie beat Senchenko and Diaz, that's it. Quintana beat Williams and Julio, that's it.

Genaro was the RING SFW champ, and Floyd fought him at age 21. Baldomir only ever beat Judah, similar to many of Cotto's opponents best wins. Manfredy was coming off beating a prime Gatti. Guerrero was coming off a couple wins over Top 10 147 fighters.

Pualie and Quintana are not better fighters or wins than Genaro and we'll see what happens with Guerrero.

The thing is you'll count those guys as good wins for Cotto, than attempt to discredit other wins like that for other fighters.

[JmH Reborn]

The point is you wouldn't count Pinto, Quintana, Paulie, and all those guys as good wins for anyone else, especially someone like Mayweather or Pacquiao. But you do for Cotto.

It would be a good win depending on when they happened. Pinto not so much. A solid C+/B- type of win. But Quintana and Paulie are good wins on anyone's resume depending on when the fight happened. Cotto beat their asses when they were both in their prime and undefeated. They both went on to win gold and beat other top fighters. So hell yeah, if Mayweather took their 0, their heart and they still did things in the future, it'd be a good win.

[4Corners]

The thing is Cotto fans will look at this as me hating on Cotto, I don't even dislike him.

It's just hard to defend someone as an elite fighter of his era when his 3 best wins are Mosley, Judah, and Clottey.

[4Corners]

It would be a good win depending on when they happened. Pinto not so much. A solid C+/B- type of win. But Quintana and Paulie are good wins on anyone's resume depending on when the fight happened. Cotto beat their asses when they were both in their prime and undefeated. They both went on to win gold and beat other top fighters. So hell yeah, if Mayweather took their 0, their heart and they still did things in the future, it'd be a good win.

What had any of those guys done going into their fights with Cotto??

[Exciterx30]

So then...

What does that say about Mayweather, who anyone can make an argument that one of the top 3 wins of his career is against a past-prime Cotto. You can slice and dice anybody's resume if you really want to. He fought Mosley five years too late, when he was a nobody who had a 16 mo, layoff and two training camps. It's a terrible win for Mayweather. No fan should claim that win. The only "great" win JMM has is against Pacquiao, and it took 4 tries. He has no other "great" wins. He has a bunch of C+, B and B+ wins. To go back onto Mayweather, his only "great" win was Chico and I guess you can say JLC, but that was unimpressive. I'll grant him that beating Canelo should be classified as a "great" win.

At the end, EVERY fighter has solid B-B+ guys on their resume. It's what elevates them to the A side. He beat every B guy there was except Trout, in a styles and size clash, and he's on the wrong side of his career. It's not like he lost a B guy like Trout in his prime, like say a JMM against Norwood or Chris John.

In his A fights, he gave the best there is all he can handle, and tried his best against the other. He lost to Margs in a certified war that we all should be happy we saw.

His resume is the sum of all parts. That's it. He fought everyone worth fighting. You win some, you lose some. That's that.

I think this poster has summed it pretty well. When one is objective, you will find that Cotto has a solid resume, even though he lost the two biggest fights of his career against Pacquiao and Floyd but there's no shame in that. Say what you will but, to me and to others, he had a signature win when he beat Mosley. The fight was competitive but clear for Cotto, I don't see why some posters, legit or trolls, insist on calling that fight a gift. The Clottey fight was really close and I could see an argument there. Personally, I thought Cotto won it 114-113 but that's another topic.

Anyway, no one is saying Cotto is an ATG, but he is one the best fighters from a country with rich boxing history, Puerto Rico, as well as one of the best boxers of the last decade. That's all there is to it.

[AnimalisticMeth]

Paulie beat Senchenko and Diaz, that's it. Quintana beat Williams and Julio, that's it.

Genaro was the RING SFW champ, and Floyd fought him at age 21. Baldomir only ever beat Judah, similar to many of Cotto's opponents best wins. Manfredy was coming off beating a prime Gatti. Guerrero was coming off a couple wins over Top 10 147 fighters.

Pualie and Quintana are not better fighters or wins than Genaro and we'll see what happens with Guerrero.

The thing is you'll count those guys as good wins for Cotto, than attempt to discredit other wins like that for other fighters.

Genaro was past prime and Mayweather was his last fight so lets not act like that was a superb win when he got his ass kicked by a baby De La Hoya 3 years earlier. The point is Cotto beat undefeated PRIME fighters who then became Champions and made a name for themselves. All of those Floyd wins came against guys on their last legs.

[4Corners]

Genaro was past prime and Mayweather was his last fight so lets not act like that was a superb win when he got his ass kicked by a baby De La Hoya 3 years earlier. The point is Cotto beat undefeated PRIME fighters who then became Champions and made a name for themselves. All of those Floyd wins came against guys on their last legs.

Mayweather beat a better version of Corley, and Genaro's only loss was at 135 against Oscar, he had never lost to 130.

He beat undefeated prime average fighters. Cool. Guys that weren't bad fighters, but not top contenders or anything. The only top contenders Cotto ever beat were Mosley, Clottey, and Judah.

Mayweather's Cotto level type wins:

Angel Manfredy
DeMarcus Corley
Victoriano Sosa
Arturo Gatti
Carlos Baldomir
Zab Judah

Manfredy's not elite or anything, but at least he was coming off a win over a prime Gatti. Corley was coming off what could be looked at as a win over Judah at 140, was a top guy at 140 at the time. Sosa was nothing more than prime fringe contender, I don't even rate that win. Gatti was decent, but he was past prime-still could fight. I remember wanting to see Cotto-Gatti at the time too, would have been a hell of a fight that Cotto could have drilled him. Baldomir and Judah were decent wins. Baldomir was coming off a good win over Judah, and though Judah lost to Baldomir, which lowers that win for Floyd.

Even taking all those away, Floyd still beat Genaro, Corrales, Castillo, Oscar, Hatton, Marquez, Mosley, Ortiz, Cotto himself, and Guerrero.

Cotto's lower level wins:

Randall Bailey
Kelson Pinto
Carlos Quintana
Paulie Malignaggi
Ricardo Torres
Oktay Urkal
Michael Jennings
Yuri Foreman
Carlos Maussa

After those, you're left with Zab Judah, which was counted as a lower tier win for Floyd, who even beat a better Judah, Joshua Clottey, and Shane Mosley, who Floyd also beat coming off a huge win.

I'm just saying Cotto got hyped and gets hyped massively, but that resume doesn't justify it to me.

[IronDanHamza]

Cotto will get in the HOF.

Should he? I'm not too sure.

He didn't duck anyone and his resume being relatively weak isn't his fault but it doesn't stop it from being weak.

[4Corners]

Cotto will get in the HOF.

Should he? I'm not too sure.

He didn't duck anyone and his resume being relatively weak isn't his fault but it doesn't stop it from being weak.

Someone who gets it.

I'm not accusing Cotto of ducking anyone.....but it doesn't stop it from being a weak resume given his hype.

[-DSG-]

Castillo and corrales weren't ****!