Vitali's legacy

[Weltschmerz]

No. ATG status is too loosely chucked around and if you look at it without a nose full of Vits pubes you'd see he's literally done nothing that qualifies him as an ATG heavyweight. Who did he beat? Not even talking about prime this or that, or whether they were in shape or not....in the grand scheme of things, WHO did he beat?

Piss off monkey man and get a proper shower. Who did Ali beat? Who did Tyson beat? Who did Lewis beat? Far from impressive. And Vitali is the best win of any of those resume's.

[DreamFighter]

I gave you the example as to why Lennox wasn't 'too old and faded'.

no you didn't do anything of the sort. Why are you still pretending that you did?

You gave the example that Vitali now slowing at 40, deliberately picks crap fighters to defend against.

And you gave an example of Goerge Foreman being 45, who is an entirely different person to Lennox Lewis. Foreman is not the norm for HW champions, he is the exception to the rule. Unless you can name more 45 year old HW champions of the world. Well you cant. You are basically wrong by a landslide.

[yoz]

Piss off monkey man and get a proper shower. Who did Ali beat? Who did Tyson beat? Who did Lewis beat? Far from impressive. And Vitali is the best win of any of those resume's.

Are you drunk?

[DreamFighter]

. And I wouldn't say we have a massive landslide, when against the odds, 3 out of 10 people voted in my favor.

See, you've misread that, probably deliberately. I wasn't referencing this poll, I was referencing the fact that you think George Foreman, the 45 year HW champion, is the rule that determines when HW champions retires - you couldn't be more wrong, he is the exception.

To explain my original point, you misread polls that are 40 to 1 against your argument. Geiorge is the 1, the other HW champions are the 40.

You probably didn't misread it did you? You are just trying to avoid admitting you are wrong by pretending you've misinterpreted me.

[DreamFighter]

Are you drunk?

yep, some m'therfcuker's always trying to iceskate uphill.



Whilst pissed.

[Weltschmerz]

no you didn't do anything of the sort. Why are you still pretending that you did?

You gave the example that Vitali now slowing at 40, deliberately picks crap fighters to defend against.

And you gave an example of Goerge Foreman being 45, who is an entirely different person to Lennox Lewis. Foreman is not the norm for HW champions, he is the exception to the rule. Unless you can name more 45 year old HW champions of the world. Well you cant. You are basically wrong by a landslide.

It's pretty incompetent claiming 37 is old for a HW - it's not; Wladimir is 37 now and still considered to be in his prime/late prime by most. Many people would argue that Wlad has never been a better fighter than he is today. Most people believed Vitali would kill Haye back in 2009, when Vitali was what, 38?

When Lennox fought Vitali, he was still firing full cylinders, even when being overweight. People just won't admit it.

[DreamFighter]

It's pretty incompetent claiming 37 is old for a HW - it's not;

something is not the case just because you type it as a post.

37 is old for a HW champion, and you continue to ignore the opinion of almost every world HW champion in history who all retired at the age or around it.


You OBVIOUSLY know more than all these HW champions we have had. In your head you are right and they were all wrong. How arrogant are you to believe you can tell them when to retire and that they were all wrong?

. People just won't admit it.

the irony in that statement was never more blatant.

[slimshandy69]

Many boxing followers discredit Vitali Klitschko's achievements in the ring, claiming his resume to be 'weak', i.e. he hasn't fought good enough opposition to be able to claim greatness.

Will Vitali go down in boxing history as an ATG in your opinion?

both wlad and vitali are the best ever in my eyes.

[Weltschmerz]

something is not the case just because you type it as a post.

37 is old for a HW champion, and you continue to ignore the opinion of almost every world HW champion in history who all retired at the age or around it.


You OBVIOUSLY know more than all these HW champions we have had. In your head you are right and they were all wrong. How arrogant are you to believe you can tell them when to retire and that they were all wrong?


the irony in that statement was never more blatant.

George Foreman, 45 yr hw champ

Vitali Klitschko, 42 yr hw champ

Evander Holyfield, 37 yr hw champ

Wlad Klistchko, 37 yr hw champ

Lennox Lewis, 37 yr hw champ

Muhammad Ali, 36 yr hw champ

Jack Johnson, 36 yr hw champ

You see a pattern of many of the champs being 'old', yet they still win the world title somehow.

[JAB5239]

This thread is great for a laugh at Klit nuthuggers getting chewed up, spit out and run off with logic. The poll says it all. My guess is it wasn't a public poll for a reason. Id bet all my points at least half who voted Vittles an ATG were alts, and still more than two thirds don't think he's an all time great.