Vitali's legacy

[Daddy T]

but, but, but, vitali was winning on points when he got tkoed/quit on his stool ...

[NatashaNatasha]

Lewis was drunk during that fight. Nobody with an IQ over 50 that have watched boxing thinks Lewis was in his prime.

You got to factor in motivation+ preparation for Lewis's boxing timeline.


Mason to Ruddock- Pre-Physical Prime, Pre-Boxing Prime. Highly Motivated.

Bruno-Mccall I. Regression with every fight(largely due to the Rid**** Bowe mess) still an elite fighter, but motivation was going down hill from fight to fight. Ended this stretch with a questionable stoppage loss against Mccall.




Morrison- Mercer-Physical Prime, Pre-Boxing Prime. Highly Motivated.

Mccall 2-Holyfield I.. Physical Prime(Physical Peak was during the Golota year) Boxing Prime. Highly Motivated

Holyfield 2-Tua - Past Physical Prime. Boxing Prime Highly Motivated


Rahman I- Past Physical Prime. Past Boxing Prime. Zero Motivation.

Rahman II- Past Physical Prime. Past Boxing Prime- Highly Motivated

Tyson- Way Past Physical Prime.. Past Boxing Prime- Highly Motivated


Vitali- Way Past Physical Prime.. Way Past Boxing Prime- Ring Rust- Fat- Zero Motivation.



Lewis was in effect already on his way out during the Rahman-Tyson stretches. Lewis looked so good against Rahman during the 2nd fight because that was the most motivated he's been. so despite being past his physical and boxing prime.. his motivation carried him.

Lewis looked so good against Tyson because Tyson was even more shot.. It was a past prime heavy ATG vs a shot heavy ATG. Lewis was actually slow and sluggish against Tyson.. didn't throw as many combinations and lacked the sharp edge to his punches. The Lewis of Golota-Holyfield I fight would have killed that Tyson in 5 Rounds..

By the time he got to Vitali. he was a mere shell of his former self.


Vitali is an ATG Heavyweight btw.. just putting things into perspective in regards to where he rank next to Lewis.

[DreamFighter]

Foreman was a 45 yrs old HW Champion.

why do you think that 1 example supports you, when the other 40 examples don't.

Please explain how 1 example supporting you is more valid than 30-40 examples telling you that you being wrong.

If forty world HW champions retire from defences before the age of 38, but 2 of them don't, is the normal pattern that of the vast majority, or the tiny minority? This is simple stuff, can you answer it? SO far you have failed.

Is everyone like Bernard Hopkins, or is he a tiny minority that does not represent the larger population? Obviously he is a tiny minority.

Is this part of the Klittard logic as in when you lose polls about Klit being great by a massive landslide, but you still believe you are right because you have a tiny minority who support you?

[Simurgh]

why do you think that 1 example supports you, when the other 40 examples don't.

Please explain how 1 example supporting you is more valid than 30-40 examples telling you that you being wrong.

Is this part of the Klittard logic as in when you lose polls about Klit being great by a massive landslide, but you still believe you are right because you have a tiny minority who support you?

Good thing your opinions are well supported on this forum

[DreamFighter]

Good thing your opinions are well supported on this forum

yeeeeaaah man.

[BarryRobinson]

Many boxing followers discredit Vitali Klitschko's achievements in the ring, claiming his resume to be 'weak', i.e. he hasn't fought good enough opposition to be able to claim greatness.

Will Vitali go down in boxing history as an ATG in your opinion?

Klitschko is the most underrated Heavyweight Boxer of all time because he's a tall awkward white guy

[Barry Halls]

And because... you know... he hasn't beaten any ATG in his entire career. Or even a hall of famer.

[Weltschmerz]

why do you think that 1 example supports you, when the other 40 examples don't.

Please explain how 1 example supporting you is more valid than 30-40 examples telling you that you being wrong.

If forty world HW champions retire from defences before the age of 38, but 2 of them don't, is the normal pattern that of the vast majority, or the tiny minority? This is simple stuff, can you answer it? SO far you have failed.

Is everyone like Bernard Hopkins, or is he a tiny minority that does not represent the larger population? Obviously he is a tiny minority.

Is this part of the Klittard logic as in when you lose polls about Klit being great by a massive landslide, but you still believe you are right because you have a tiny minority who support you?

I gave you the example as to why Lennox wasn't 'too old and faded'. Lewis was still a prime HW fighter. And I wouldn't say we have a massive landslide, when against the odds, 3 out of 10 people voted in my favor.

[KhalidAMuhammad]

And because... you know... he hasn't beaten any ATG in his entire career. Or even a hall of famer.

Maybe Vit can call out Sylvester Stallone and get a HoF'er on his CV.

What makes a fighter an ATG? Is it beating other ATG's? What made those fighters ATG's? Who was the first ATG, and who did he beat to become an ATG?

[Jeff Da Maori]

No. ATG status is too loosely chucked around and if you look at it without a nose full of Vits pubes you'd see he's literally done nothing that qualifies him as an ATG heavyweight. Who did he beat? Not even talking about prime this or that, or whether they were in shape or not....in the grand scheme of things, WHO did he beat?